2015 Maps of Meaning Lecture 02b Object and Meaning Part 2

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Video Creator’s Channel Jordan B Peterson

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had a question that was a good knot, but all the other questions weren’t good, but this one is a question of good general relevance, So do you want to repeat your question right yeah well It’s a really good question. So the question is. Nietzsche said God is dead and he believed that things would fall apart as a consequence of that and I’m claiming for example that people have an implicit religious structure and they act it out okay, so there’s actually a lot of things happened as a consequence of the fact that that’s a reasonable issue a good question. So one of the things you might think about is that so Nietzsche’s claim in Dostoyevsky’s claim were quite straightforward. They said that once you took the foundation out of something it would fall now it might take.

A Long Time To Fall, Especially If Its

a big thing, so you know you could make the claim. For example, that the Soviet Union basically fell in 1970, but it took 19 years to topple over because it’s a big thing right it just doesn’t crumble all at once and so Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky’s claim would be once you hack out the basic assumptions and question them that it’s only a matter of time until the entire structure decays and you could think that perhaps you know if you have a habit and then you become conscious of the habit and you practice a new habit. Then you can have a new habit and so what that means is that you can use your conscious mind to restructure your implicit beliefs. It’s hard or you can use your conscious mind to destroy your belief in the value of those. implicit actions and demolish them across time okay so that could happen and I think to some degree that has happened it’s certainly happened enough so that people are very confused about what they believe or even about what belief means because there’s contradiction between what people think and there’s a and how they act so okay that’s one tangent so to speak young actually took that question very seriously in some sense because Nietzsche here’s the flaw in Nietzsche’s argument.

I Think Thats Like I Hesitate To

ever say that because like I said he was a staggering genius so but nature believed his proposition was that once the religious edifice fell that people would have to create their own values. So he believed that the over man, the Superman so to speak would be a new type of human being like an existential type of human being who. would be able to accept the fact that there was no ultimate meaning, but create their own values okay what the weird thing about that is you Don’t actually seem to create values that’s what that’s where Nietzsche’s flawed. I think that’s where he implicitly accepted the presuppositions of the rationalists because if there’s no real source of value, then it stands to reason that you create values but you don’t not easily like you know think about your own life. You know so let’s say you make a new year’s resolution you say well I’m going to study like three hours a day.

Its Like Youre Trying To Create Your Own

value structure right, but then you find out it’s a lot harder than you think because you don’t listen to yourself. It’s like you wander off and you know play video games or watch something on UK you know and and you know why are you doing that what’s because you’re led by values you don’t create Now maybe there’s a co-creation you know because it’s not like you can’t change yourself at all, but we should be very careful before we jump to the conclusion that values are or even can be something that people actually create Now. The phenomenologist s’ like Heidegger and Jung as well would say no no let’s let’s just not get too hasty about making the presupposition that we can or should create our own values. Now one reason you might be hesitant to do that. That Hitler created his values so to speak and so did the Soviet Communists and North Koreans you know they’re trying to impose a rationalist value structure on a society and the consequences of that have been.

You Know People Debate About How Many

people died in the Soviet Union as a consequence of internal repression and as the Marxist revisionists rally back to the original beliefs. The estimate keeps going down, but you know it was tens of millions of people so and in China, who knows it was. Maybe it was a hundred million people. It was a lot of people, and then of course there’s the knot season. You know so the the act of attempting to rationally construct a value system and then impose it that doesn’t seem to work out very well.

So You Know On A Sociological

level. We seem to have evidence that. That’s dangerous and then on a personal level. It’s like yeah you’re so sure you create your values. I would say to a large degree you discover them and so you know here here’s here’s an experiment you can try it one I told you last week.

I Think To Try To Watch Yourself Speak

for I think you should do it for the rest of your life. You know because words are very very very powerful and they lead you places so you should be careful how you use them but like here’s. Another really interesting experiment is watch what you’re interested in try Don’t try to control it so much just see where it is because like in the phenomenologist certainly made much of this is like for them like for Heidegger value is something that manifested itself in the world and attracted your attention you know it. Wasn’t something you precisely created Now? I believe you have a hand in creating it. We’ll talk more about that later because you’re not you’re not a deterministic entity precisely so it’s like you can participate in the construction of the value system, but you know you have to take your biological nature into mind and you have to take your cultural nature into mind and you have to take other people into mind and so you know you have you can vary the game but I don’t think you can really change the rules that’s a reasonable way of thinking about now what you did in many ways was he said well maybe we have to go back down into the deep symbolic substrata of the human psyche to find the origin place of the ideas that we used to hold as religious.

It Was A Hypothesis In Some.

sense and so there the psychoanalytic hypothesis is something like it’s the it’s the psychic substrata. The pre–linguistic psychic substrata that is the source of ritual symbol and religious ideas and so that you can go back to the source in a sense to revitalize those ideas and that strikes me as a wiser approach than the rational approach which says you can just create your values. It’s like we tried that it didn’t work it really didn’t work. It was murderous so and then the alternative of the no value proposition as well.

Then Youre Going To Be Nihilistic

and that’s not. I think nihilism is a form of mental illness. It’s a sociological it it’s caused by sociological conditions, but fundamentally it’s a mental illness. You revise what you mean by believe that’s part of it and that’s what we’re going to try to walk through now. This.

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Very Is A Linear Argument In Some Sense,

so there’s going to be a lot of tangents. I want to. I want to show you how that might be done and and what it might mean meaning who knows what it ultimately means right there’s just no going there but my experience with these ideas have been that once you understand them and it’s a different way of categorizing. SsIn. I would say all sorts of things that you didn’t understand all of a sudden light up for you and it’s really helpful you know because for let me just give you a couple of examples.

You Know I Would Say That Its

a unspoken proposition of much of today.’s socio-ideological thinking that there’s something pathological about human beings you know like I’ve heard people say like human beings are like a cancer on the planet. It’s like I. went to a talk a UK talk at Queen’s a UK talk where one of the professor’s, who was a radical environmentalist of sorts. You know he told the whole audience.

They Were All People About Your

age that if they had any ounce of ethical if they had any ethical standards, whatsoever they wouldn’t reproduce it’s like h you know really he said well we’ve only had one child and for me. I thought that was one child too many for him, But you know. I thought that’s bloody pathological when you stand up in front of a whole bunch of young people who have their whole future in front of them. You say well you know you’re such a horrid creature in your very core that it would be a moral violation for you to propagate it’s like you know, so I mean one of the things that.

Thats Happened To Me Is Like

I kind of like people You know they’re peculiar and weird like hippopotamuses and and Rhinos and penguins and all that but you know I certainly Don’t think that we’re some sort of cancer on the planet I really think that’s a that’s a pre-genocide Elide Eeeh as far as I’m concerned it’s like the planet would be better off without any people on it it’s like hey glad you’re not near the old thermo new your button Yeah really really you know it’s like that’s an archetypal idea Fire will cleanse everything it’s like that’s what Hitler believed that’s why all Berlin was burning when he committed suicide. It’s It’s like that was what he was after from the beginning click cleansing fire It’s like beware of those ideas boy you know and so I can see the intrinsic dignity of people and and their intrinsic value and how that can be expressed across time and you know and I value that it’s it’s it’s it’s something pristine and remarkable you know and understanding I believe that understanding these ideas properly can give you that kind of orientation. You know I mean everybody’s flawed and useless and half crazy. I mean obviously, but you know that’s not exactly the point.

There Are Reasons We Are Flawed In

useless and half crazy. You know life is hard and we’re finite and we just we have big problems that confront us. It’s like I don’t think any sane person cannot be crazy so to speak, but having said all that the idea that there’s something intrinsically pathological about human being is like that is an absolutely what’s the word apocalyptic idea. It’s like beware of people who tell you such things you know so and it’s certainly not something you should be thinking about yourself God it’s like who knows what you’re up to you know maybe some of you will be great people.

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You Know Good Luck With It So So

I want to walk you through what I think these ideas mean and I’m not asking you to believe anything I tell you it’s like don’t hack away at it. Man see if you can see where it’s flawed. I can’t I’ve tried so because I don’t want to be standing on sand and so what.

Summary

Nietzsche said God is dead and he believed that things would fall apart as a consequence of that . Dostoyevsky’s claim would be once you hack out the basic assumptions and question them that it’s only a matter of time until the entire structure decays . People are very confused about what they believe or even about what belief means because there’s contradiction between what people think and there’s a and how they act so okay that’s one tangent so to speak young people actually took it to a tangent . The Soviet Union basically fell in 1970, but it took 19 years to topple over because it’s a big thing right it just doesn’t crumble all at once . It’s hard or you can use your . conscious mind to destroy your belief in the value of those.& implicit actions and demolish them across time okay so that could happen so that has happened and I think to some degree that could have happened . people are very confusing about what it’s certainly happened enough so to…. Click here to read more and watch the full video