A Postsecular World Religious vs Secular Ideas of Space


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for meaning in strange places? I’m Christopher I recently had the pleasure of talking again with Dr. Steve Turley. You may have seen my earlier conversations with him on the subject of the resurgence of religion within the world as well as. More recently, we talked about different conceptions of time within secular and religious cultures, so in what’s sort of becoming a series because it’s really a lot of fun to talk with him. This time.

We Talked About Space In And

views of space and how space is used and thought of and so on in secular versus religious societies, so if you don’t know who Dr. Steve Turley is reading from his biography. Dr. Turley is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker and classical guitarist. He is also the author of Awakening Wonder a classical guide to truth Goodness and.

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the Messianic age washings and meals and Galatians and first Corinthians. He blogs on the Church Society and culture education in the arts at Turley Talks Calm. He’s a faculty member at Tall Oaks Classical School in New Castle Delaware, where he teaches theology, Greek Rhetoric and a professor for the Fine Arts at Eastern University. He lectures at universities conferences and churches throughout the United States and abroad. His research and writings have appeared in such journals as Christianity and Literature.

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in the Chesterton review. He and his wife Akiko have four children and live in Newark Delaware, where they together enjoy fishing, gardening and watching Duck dynasty marathons. So I hope you find this conversation in the subject matter as interesting as I did and so without further ado here you go all right well thank. You very much dr. Turley for joining me once again.

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so so first actually we talked about you know previously the last time we talked. We talked about time and religious and secular conceptions of time. So of course, naturally today we’re gonna be talking about space, but Before we jump into it. could you define again for those who didn’t see before what religious means where it comes from and the idea of it Yeah. The term religion is pretty probably the most misunderstood term given several decades of sort of secular redefinition of the term, and fortunately, its original meaning is coming back into vogue as it were originally the term religion.

It Comes From Two Words, Re And

lagari, which means to retie a rebind that’s we get the word religio from and it fundamentally had to do. With social obligations, We tend to think of religion as modernist as some that’s personal and private you know a subjective persuasion is word, but historically, you couldn’t have got in a more public term. It was objective. It was a thoroughly political in the sons religion had to do with your social obligations. So I like to give the example to my students that you know when grandma sends you a check for your birthday.

Whats The First Thing Your Parents Tell You

that you have to do well after you’ve opened the car and you saw that check what do you got to do you got a phone up Grandma and you have to say thank you right that’s your religion that’s your social obligation now back in the day obviously that had to do with the gods depending on what city you’re in and so forth but. It also had to do with your responsibility to your family responsibilities to your community or your the city state to your employment guild all kinds of things so it wasn’t just simply deities that you were dealing with we’re doing with religion we do and we use the term similar today. We’re talking about say like Buddhism or Taoism or Confucianism that Don’t have any defined deity connected with them. That was the way religion was used for centuries up to about the 18th 19th century. It was a social obligation, then 18th and 19th century with the rise of the Enlightenment.

You Got This Notion That Religion

could not be social obligation because religion did not involve knowledge anymore religion was simply private personal belief knowledge was was limited solely to the empirically verifiable. The science typically rational and anything that flunked that kind of methodological test or. was impervious to the test itself was considered to be outside of the purview of knowledge, So how could I hold you obliged to anything that you have no knowledge of and now Religion was purely a matter of private belief, and so the term got radically radically altered over the last several decades and only now with more of the rise of a post-secular consciousness. Are we starting to see a return to the the original meaning where religion is really the basis of social order for for for culture okay so having having laid that groundwork so that anyone who missed previous conversations is sort of caught up with us last time. We talked about how different conceptions of time and it largely had to do with things like how time was segmented and how time was viewed in the relationships between them, so of course it.

At That Sort Of High Level,

the same will apply to space that that there are different ways of looking at space and how you divide up space and the relationships between these divisions? So do you want would you rather start with a secular view of space or that are the religious view of space well. I have got space just in general that’s probably a good way of doing and then maybe we can get into the way secularization rearranges the space that’d be interesting. Yeah. I think the way that well actually we’ll do the opposite let’s talk about space and then let’s talk about the traditional conception of space and then second keep the historical Yeah chronological there so when we’re thinking about space. I think we have to think of it reciprocally.

I Think Space Is Both An Extension

of ourselves, but it is also. Something that profoundly shapes and fosters the self and this is largely because the self exists in a body itself is inseparable from the body in the body and dwells indwells face and and so it is through the UK and the indwelling of space that the self is able to impose itself on space. But it’s also space through the body that it imposes itself on the on the cell. So I think what we have to do is. We have to I think everybody gets a sense of this that they know.

There Are Various Spaces That Evoke

various orientations, dispositions and the like so a sports arena will evoke very different feelings than a restaurant. You know and a cathedral is going to evoke very different feelings than say a nightclub. There they’re similar but but regardless the space does affect the way we feel and the. Way we perceive the world and scholars are noting that religion our space is inextricably linked to the whole notion of knowledge. Because I know something only to the extent that I can understand it and I understand it largely in relation to my how I relate to it.

So I Know A Tree Not Simply

by a definition of a tree, but because I see the tree and because of what I do with a tree, What do I do it do I climb it do I cut it down, Do I decorate it. How I interact with the materiality around me is going to affect the way I actually know and understand the world. So scholars take have always taken very seriously space and when you get into the development of space throughout the centuries which what you see of course is the notion of sacred and profane. As it were or degrees as sacred, so the Greek Poly’s the city-state was was founded more or less on the temple. The the the temple itself is found on the sacred space and then it’s built around the sacred space and its architecture is supposed to evoke the sense of the sacred.

The Set Apart And Then The City Comes

around that as extensions of the sacred receive very much the same thing say in medieval urban planning I had the benefit of studying in Durham University, which is a cathedral town in England and it’s you just the most prominent building of course is the Cathedral. There’s just no way around that the castle was pull tricked by comparison, but interestingly enough that of course the castle was just right across the green from the Cathedral because church and state are working together here so you could see. in the spatial arrangements but the cathedrals at the center and then in medieval urban planning. Heath Lily did some really interesting research on how oftentimes the walls around the city would be circular, and he found that that represented the cosmos and there would often be four gates and the four gates would represent. The four Gospels and four is also a cosmic number for earth, air, fire and water and that’s why we have four Gospels all things are can reconverge around Christ and the streets would oftentimes be straight in order to fulfill Isaiah 40 make straight his paths the highway of the Lord and then they would twist cross to create all these crosses and so This this medieval urban planning was very intentional in terms of creating for people a mental map of a medieval cosmos.

Its Really Quite Cool When You

get into secular. Urban planning all of that imaginative integration starts breaking down and you actually get into zoning and it’s very fascinating with zoning and secular conceptions of things With zoning. You can you can have a place only for for government buildings and then only for commercial buildings and then only for apartments and then only for single-family homes right and and then on and on and on the integrative nature of the city. As it were begins to fall apart and that’s largely because secularism is is bifocal.

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It Tends To See The World Either As

scientific or religious either as fact or as faith either as nature, biology, chemistry, physics or as culture, either as public or as prime. That Slashing effect of dichotomies can actually be seen in our urban planning today so you go to WashingtonNK] of course and you’ll see all of these monuments and so forth. All of centered around civil government mythology as it were churches even the two national churches, the Episcopal and the Catholic Church are way off to the periphery. They are not at the center anymore.

Theyre Way Off To The Periphery

same in New York City New York City is a monument to the emerging commercial life so it’s died scrapers and building and business. You know the bids art of the Coolidge sort of the business business America‘s business. Manhattan is a monument in many ways and then yeah you could sneak in a little bit of the immigrant community belief system with St. Patrick’s Cathedral and so forth, but again it’s just kind of you’re just walking.

Walking Along The Road And All Sudden Boom

there’s a Cathedral there there’s no rhyme or reason to it so what we see in terms of the the very well-planned sort of cosmic sacred cosmos play that was embedded in medieval urban planning. So it gets split apart in a secularized notion of space. You know it’s very it’s reminding keeps reminding me that things have been saying of something testers you mentioned. I


Christopher recently had the pleasure of talking again with Dr. Steve Turley . Turley is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker and classical guitarist . He is also the author of Awakening Wonder a classical guide to truth Goodness and Beauty and the ritualized revelation of the Messianic age washings and meals and Galatians and first Corinthians . He and his wife Akiko have four children and live in Newark Delaware, where they together enjoy fishing, gardening and watching Duck dynasty marathons . Christopher: I hope you find this conversation in the subject matter as interesting as I did and so without further ado here you go all right well thank Dr. Turley for joining me once again. I’m glad to have the chance to talk with him again. Welcome to missing the mark where we look for meaning in strange places? I’m curious to see what you’ve heard from Dr.& Turley. You can read from his biography. I’ll be back at the bottom of the page ….. Click here to read more and watch the full video