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of speaking with Dr Gad Sod, a friend of Mine, a colleague, an early supporter of Mine when those were few and those were few and far between when when all the publicity emerged initially surrounding me and the videos I made regarding Bill C-16 in Canada. Gad was one of the first people to interview me and he took. I would say a substantial risk in doing so we stayed in contact since then doing some podcasts together we’ve done each other’s podcasts and we spoke together at a free speech rally in Toronto, and that’s a couple of years ago now three years ago. I think Yeah three tumultuous years to say the least Gat has recently written the parasitic mind how infectious ideas are killing common sense and a number of other books as well which you. See arrayed behind him the consuming instinct a contributor to the evolutionary basis of consumption.

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sole author of that one but the other one is the edited book right and that’s evolutionary psychology in the behavior in the business sciences Exactly Yeah so we’re going to talk about God’s book today but a variety of other things too so and I think the conversation will naturally tend towards the topics that are outlined in the book and in any case um so let’s start with that you talk about infectious ideas anyways. I should say it’s very nice to see you guys thank you very much for coming on to this podcast Youtube Jordan it’s it’s so nice to have you back in the public sphere. I can speak for millions of fans we’ve missed you and i’m delighted to be with you well. I tell you for me? It’s a lifesaver man to be able to come back after being sick for so long and and to be able to jump back into doing this. I I’m certainly not at my peak by any stretch of the imagination, but it’s such a relief that I still have a life waiting to be picked up and that I can ask people to come and talk to me and they will and I can start communicating with people again.

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that most sincerely so I really do appreciate you coming to talk to me and I hope we get a long ways today. There’s lots of things. I want to talk to you about you talk about infectious ideas and let’s talk about that a little bit um your book so I’m gonna I’m gonna take a bit. of a critical stance to begin with I think your book concentrates a lot on infectious ideas on the left and of course that’s been a particular preoccupation of mine in recent years. Although I was I spent a lot of my career dissecting infectious ideas on the right Because I was very appalled as any reasonable person would be about what happened.

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say it. But I was preoccupied in some sense what by what happened in Germany in the 1930s and the 1940s and the infectious ideas that possessed that entire community that entire country and the devastating consequences of that and so it’s obviously the case that infectious ideas can emerge across the political spectrum. Maybe even in the moderate center, but certainly on the right. But your book concentrates almost solely on the excesses the ideological excesses of the. Left and I’m wondering what you think of that As a scientist sure it’s a great point that you raise and I actually address it very early in the book where I argue that it is absolutely not the case that it’s only one side of the political aisle that could be parasitized by bad ideas and idea pathogens.

The Reason Why I Specifically Focus On

ideas stemming from the left is not because this is a political book, but rather because I operate and you you’ve operated your entire life within an ecosystem called the you know academia and within the context of academia. The idea pathogens that are most likely to proliferate are those that are stemming that are being spawned by leftist professors. This certainly does not apply that the right could not itself be parasitized by countless other idea pathogens. So it’s not because I was trying to take a political position, but rather as any epidemiologic epidemiologist would do or and or I call myself a parasitologist at the human mind. I happen to be focusing on idea pathogens that are the ones that define my daily reality Exactly okay.

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that because I would say as well that as a an academic. I haven’t felt the pressure of right-wing conspiratorial theories in relationship to my work, but I would say this is This is something that has happened is that I started to talk about political ideas because of the consequences of left-wing ideological thinking in the Academy and what happened as a consequence of that was that I was branded as you. been as a right-wing thinker an alt-right thinker, maybe even a Nazi because I was called out on more than one occasion, and I think that might be true of you too. Although you make a more a less believable Nazi than me. I would say given your background um a less plausible Nazi let’s say so I found that when I objected to the to the excesses of the left the people who sprang to my defense, tended logically enough to come from the right and and there were tendrils feelers out from even the more radical right to see if because I was opposed to the radical left that I might be a supporter say of the radical right and what was interesting about that to me.

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think better of people when they come to your defense and so I noticed. I say it’s it’s hard to keep your centrist bearings when you go after one side of the political equation and you’re befriended at least in part by the other or the or the the feelers are there and so I’m wondering what you think about that do you think that have you shifted more towards the right as a consequence of of yeah opposing the radical left I don’t think so because oftentimes people ask me. You know you never espouse a particular position about your political tribe and and I answer them not to be coy or to be evasive. I tell them that’s because I truly don’t believe in sort of an all–encompassing label that defines my political positions. There are many positions on which you would think Oh.

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when it comes to open door policy or aka immigration. You would think I’m quote conservative when it comes to you know capital punishment for predatory serial pedophiles. I have absolutely no moral restraint in the idea of executing someone who’s raped five children that would be considered a conservative idea when it comes to social issues. Then you would think of me as extremely socially liberal and quote progressive. So so really my own personal tribe is one that is defined by examining each individual issue and then proposing a position based on sort of universal foundational principles.

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the left says nothing about my ability to have most of my friends be leftist by me, believing in many of their positions. It’s simply that you know it’s the way. I like to compare it is if I were an endocrinologist who specializes in treating diabetes, it would be silly for someone. to come to me and say but wait a second dr sad how come you’re never exploring melanoma. Don’t you know that melanoma is a deadly disease well.

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to be someone who is studying diabetes that doesn’t state anything about the dangers of the endless other panel plea of diseases that might afflict human beings and so I think it’s really very much in that spirit that I wrote. This book it’s not at all that the right cannot be parasitized take, for example, anti–scientific reasoning often times my leftist colleagues will pretend as though it is the right who engages in anti-science rhetoric now let’s take a discipline that I’m in evolutionary psychology well. When it comes to the rejection of evolution, it is much more likely to be people on the right who reject evolution when it comes to evolutionary psychology. It’s a lot more likely to be people on the left who reject you know evolutionary arguments for to explain for example, sex differences, so it’s not that one party is anti–science more than the other is that each party has its own anti–scientific lenses and myopia okay so I guess these questions are particularly Germane given what happened in Washington in the last two weeks and what still might happen in the next few days We’ll see there’s. I’ve noticed recently among friends and family members as well as more broadly in the culture that there is a pronounced increase in the degree to which conspiratorial theories in particular and paranoid theories are propagating on the right.

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Keelanon. I’ve been out of the loop and and I I should be more on top of that but I’m not but I do. Popular and pervasive and I do know that Trump‘s claims to have won the election are supported by a network of conspiratorial thinking. I was speaking with Douglas Murray about that and you tell me what you think about this. This is sort of the conclusion of our discussion was that so Trump claims that he lost it or that he won the election and and actually that he wanted by a substantial margin that’s the claims as far as I’ve been able to understand them, and then to believe that this is what you have to believe you have to believe that the electoral system in the United States is broken to the degree that fraud is widespread and pervasive and of sufficient magnitude to move an election.

You Have To Believe That People As

close to Trump as Mike Pence have become part of a conspiratorial network or. have been shut down by people who are able to put sufficient pressure on him. You have to believe that the judiciary in the United States, which I believe has ruled something like 60 times against his claims and one time in favor. You have to believe that it’s become uncontrollably corrupt even on the Republican side. Even when those Republicans were nominated by Trump or Trump’s people and you have to believe that the only person standing on moral high ground through all of this has been Trump and each of those propositions seems to me to be have a low probability of truth and their combined probability is infinitesimally small.

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‘s claims that he that he won the election and was robbed of it and so so someone who is looking at your book, especially from a leftist perspective would say well. Not only are you concentrating on the wrong side of the equation with regards to clear and present danger but um the the omission of analysis of conspiratorial thinking on the right shows a blind spot that is of sufficient magnitude to threaten the stability of society now not to say that.

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Dr Gad Sod has written the parasitic mind how infectious ideas are killing common sense and a number of other books as well which you.& See arrayed behind him the consuming instinct a contributor to the evolutionary basis of consumption. Jordan says it’s such a relief that I still have a life waiting to be picked up and that I can ask people to come and talk to me and they will and I can start communicating. It’s a lifesaver man to be able to come back after being sick for so long. I’m certainly not at my peak by any . stretch of the imagination, but it’s a relief . I can speak for millions of . fans we’ve missed you and i’m delighted to be with you well. I tell you for me? It’s a lifelike to be back in the public sphere. I’m sure it’s so nice to have you back into doing this. I don’t know what to do’ve missed you…. Click here to read more and watch the full video