Approval To Speak Freely Konstantin Kisin Modern Wisdom Podcast 235

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If You Allow Politicians To To Conduct Themselves

in this way and to delegitimize the democratic process which both sides have done but particularly in my opinion, the the Democrats in America and the left in this country as well. Then what you end up with is a situation where we are now? Where 36 of both Democrats and Republicans feel that violence is justified to achieve your political ends so a third of both supporter groups are quite happy to use violence which has gone up from eight percent about two years ago, so if you’ve got that situation the election is in dispute. Both parties are undermining the democratic process and encouraging their followers essentially to feel like violence is a way of resolving this issue not a good recipe. The stakes have been raised now haven’t they based on the Darren grimes incident I’m now culpable for what you say so please go gently on me or I’m gonna be in prison and you’ll be in a gulag well. I’m gonna struggle to say anything now and I I apparently am so ridiculously controversial with my very mainstream opinions that yeah we’re both in trouble if we sit in silence for the next hour that is one surefire way that we can’t get in trouble that could offend people who really wanted to listen to us talk though and they might report us to the police and yeah you never know man but if you remember you came to see my show in Edinburgh last year, and this is exactly what I was talking about should it be illegal to have offensive opinions and here we are and essentially.

The Police Are Investigating People Not Even

for their own opinions for stuff someone else said on their show that they broadcast and you know you add to that the response to the pandemic and how that’s affecting our civil liberties as well. It’s not a great time No not at all so can you give us a brief overview and take us through what we’ve learned from the Darren grimes situation in your opinion well so for people who don’t know Darren Grimes is a conservative right-wing commentator. He I think is rather hated by many people on my side of the referendum debate people who voted Romaine as I did a lot of people who are sort of very obsessed with that issue in a way that I’m not I felt that because he was part of the campaign to make that happen. He was investigated three. by the electoral commission for his involvement and that so he’s got a lot of enemies.

I Think Thats Part Of It For

sure but basically he had Dr David Starkey, controversial historian who made some what I thought were ill-judged comments and I know David we’ve had him on the show. He didn’t say anything like that on our show, but on Darren’s he did make some controversial comments which I as I say I thought we were ill judged um and this happened a few months ago. There was a big ferrari. Dr David Starkey was properly cancelled for it um he apologized. Eventually Darren apologized for for not challenging him on what he said and that was sort of the end of the matter.

I Think A Lot Of People

felt that even though I think many people felt that he it was appropriate that David Starkey. some consequences for what he said equally many people felt that maybe the consequences were quite harsh, wherever you sit on that I respect both views on that personally and that was sort of the end of the matter for most people. I think until we found out last week as we record this that the police had invited. Initially we learned that it was Darren Grimes and then also then David Starkey had both been invited for what is euphemistically called a voluntary interview interesting. It’s called that because if you don’t attend you get arrested.

The Voluntary Nature Of That Interview Is A

little bit interesting and yeah So essentially we’re talking about the police investigating people for things that they say and for the interviewers for things that their guests say we we had Darren Grimes on the show pretty much straight away because we felt it was a very important issue to raise to the public awareness. There were lots of other mainstream media coverage as well and hopefully as a result of all of that publicity that that happened the police said that they’ve got a senior officer reviewing the case. They’ve postponed the interviews that they were supposed to have and at the time actually everyone from Asaka all the way through to pretty Patel and Sajid Javid and many many other people who at the time felt that David Starkey’s comments were completely wrong. Some of them said they. Were horrible, racist, etc.

Even Those People Were Saying Arent The

police going too far here and so as a result, it seems that the police have rode back they’ve realized there’s a public backlash how that ends we don’t know because they haven’t closed the investigation yeah, but but it it’s it’s a troubling thing because I would imag and it’s what I find really surprising about this and I’m not again. One of these sort of defunder Bbc people but I do think the Bbc is biased and what I found fascinating was they didn’t cover the story on their mainstream news at all so while he was being talked about in the telegraph. In the times it was on the front page of the times. I think at least on the online version, the Bbc simply pretended it wasn’t happening which I thought was very interesting why. Do you think that’s happening? I I don’t know exactly but I felt for some time now the the Bbc are not reporting on cultural issues objectively whether you you know the economy or all that sort of thing.

Theres More Of A Conversation To Be

had about which way they lean. Some people might even argue that they lean to the right on those things, but certainly when it comes to people like Darren who as I say are hated by many people on the remain side and many people on the left as well. I don’t think he he got a fair shake at it. If you remember you know a couple of years ago. When I turned down that safe space contract that was in every newspaper in the country and the Bbc covered it very prominently.

It Was Right Up There And That

was an issue. that many people felt had a lot to do with free speech well to me. This isn’t an issue of Darren being conservative or not or whatever I Don’t share many of his views. The point is something like that is an issue that everyone should care about because if you’re a Bbc journalist well you know the Bbc has had people like Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins on their show people that I would not have on my show right on trigonometry we wouldn’t have them on so you know they are more liable to that sort of problem than we are in a way and yet they’re not saying anything about it and I think it speaks to some kind of bias now what exactly that is I don’t know I’ve been on the Bbc many many times and my perception of it is that it’s it’s full. of well–meaning people who all think the same so no matter how how hard they try and I think a lot of people genuinely do try on their Bbc to introduce balance.

But If Everyone In Your Organization

thinks the same way on these cultural issues of the culture war, then it’s very difficult to then present a balanced view of an issue and with the news coverage of Darren Grimes. I think they just you know they genuinely just like basically he suppressed it yeah man I mean when I first delved into the situation. I’d missed the original David Starkey interview, so I had to track back and kind of get a grasp on everything in real time but man I’m really really concerned. I would Have been concerned had this backtracking by the police not occurred the ability or the the um potential for me as an independent podcaster doing it’s a lovely bedroom but doing it from his bedroom the potential that I could have anyone on I’ve spoken to Porn stars I’ve spoken to the girl who started the Uk version of only fans. I’ve spoken to Douglas Murray like all the same thing obviously and um like you know how to pick your guests man you go for the top.

I Really Just Go For The Creme De

la creme yeah filtering we should reconsider we talk to all these boring political analysts and stuff like that you’ve gone straight in there with the best browsers that’s who the top 10 on browsers that’s who you need to speak to um so I’ve got these people on they could say anything. And somehow I would be liable for what they say now? I’m going to guess that the only potential justification for this would be to treat an independent podcaster like Darren is like you guys are like I am as a broadcaster as if we’re as if we have some sort of network. In the traditional media sense of the word that we are broadcasting media and therefore we are liable for what occurs on our channel is that if you were to um steel man the argument do you think that’s kind of where it comes from Yeah. I think that’s exactly where it comes from and look we’re all dealing with a new world in which all of this stuff is unusual. I Mean podcasts have only been around 10-15 years and so our laws probably not all that well adjusted to to the whole situation.

So I I Think You Know

obviously big media corporations. They have whole legal departments that deal with these that train the presenters you know what you can and can’t allow guests to say what can and can’t go unchallenged. Even there there’s quite a lot of bias in how all of that’s treated so it’s perfectly possible. I mean you talk about Douglas Murray, one of the most prominent conservative commentators in the country and maybe you know a lot of the stuff he’s been talking about lately you wouldn’t even say that it’s a conservative view particularly but it’s perfectly normal for him to go on the Bbc and be called far right by a fellow guest without necessarily being challenged that guest being challenged.

The Moment He Then Has To Threaten

to sue. They then apologize right, whereas if if you’d gone and and slandered somebody from the other side, you wouldn’t be the same so for someone like me who’s bang In the center of politics. Those hypocrisies are very difficult to ignore because they’re just right there staring you in the face um but but yeah I think the steel man version of the argument is we’re broadcasting stuff to an unspecified number of people and that means we’re subject to broadcasting regulation and that means that we are responsible to some extent for what people say.

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Summary

Both parties are undermining the democratic process and encouraging their followers to feel like violence is a way of resolving this issue not a good recipe . 36 of both Democrats and Republicans feel that violence is justified to achieve your political ends . A third of both supporters groups are quite happy to use violence which has gone up from eight percent about two years ago, so if you’ve got that situation the election is in dispute.& I’m gonna struggle to say anything now and I apparently am so ridiculously controversial with my very mainstream opinions that yeah we’re both in trouble if we sit in silence for the next hour that is one surefire way that we can’t get in trouble that could offend people who really wanted to listen to us talk though and they might report us to the police . The stakes have been raised now haven’t they based on the Darren grimes incident I’m now culpable for what you say so please go gently on me or I’m going to be in prison and you’ll be in a gulag well….. Click here to read more and watch the full video