Behind The Scenes Of Netflixs The Great Hack David Carroll Modern Wisdom Podcast 089

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A Weird Company Has Been Working In Elections Around

the world for a long time and allegedly worked on the Brexit campaign and the Trump presidential campaigns as well as others for people who are hoping for a movie that gives you the proof of whether or not the stuff worked those people will be disappointed. This is not a movie about whether it worked. This is a movie about whether we can live in a democracy where this stuff is going on. We really can’t know whether any of this was the defining factor. In any of these elections there’s no control group in elections you cannot determine whether or not this affected that it’s all of the above.

When People Think About Why Did People

vote for breakfast it and why did people vote for Trump There’s no single reason. There is a perfect storm of reasons I. think one of most alarming things about this company and this movie is that fundamental idea that Americans are working on British politics and Brits are working on American politics. We should just be working in our own politics and that’s it to be honest. The popularity of this movie will inspire more bad guys to do more bad things.

So It Shows Us That We

need to inoculate ourselves against this and we need to make sure that our governments are ready to try and withstand these kinds of attempts to subvert and industrialize democracy itself. I’m joined by Professor David Carroll Professor Welcome the show it’s great to be on here thanks for having me what is your life like at the moment it’s pretty overwhelming the response to the film is mind-blowing mostly because I get so many messages per minute from people around the world saying. Their mind is blown so This sort of mutual mind blowing is happening right now and it’s overwhelming UK never expected it to go this big so I mean you were in the press the during the first iteration like the the real-time unveiling of this particular storyline and now there’s this sort of recap of all of that that’s got Netflix‘s power behind it so yeah it’s a it doesn’t surprise me that you’re feeling a little bit overwhelmed by that the last couple of days it’s only been out for upon when we’re recording now like two days I think twenty-fourth. It came out on Netflix and usually when people suggest something to me and different spheres of awareness say the same thing and that right I need to I need to take notice of this in the space of two days. I’d like five people at my.

If You Watch That The Great

hack on Netflix it’s sick you gotta go watch it okay cool fair enough so yes for the people who do not know why your life is chaos at the moment and and what’s been going on could you give us a rundown of what we’re talking about sure so a weird company has been working in elections around the world for a long time and allegedly worked on the Brexit campaign and the Trump presidential campaigns as well as others and the movie looks at the stories of three people who were involved in learning more and unraveling the scandal behind that so. It follows Carole Cadwallader, who was the primary journalist for The Observer and the Guardian, who really uncovered the story for the press and the world it. Britany Kaiser, who was really high up in the company and was with. The company up until the very end, and she tries to come out and you know spill the information that everybody is seeking and then myself who learned that I could try to get my data from the company using British law and it follows my legal struggle still to this day trying to get my data back which under British law is required and so it’s been fascinating to see how the British government being Parliament and the Information Commissioner have been the strongest force in the world to hold the company accountable in even more accountable than the United States government in the United States regulators. So the movie is a story about how journalism and citizens and the law can hack back against these technological forces for people who are hoping for a movie that explains and gives you the proof of whether or not the stuff.

Worked Those People Will Be Disappointed.

This is not a movie about whether it worked. This is a movie about whether we can live in a democracy where this stuff is going on yeah the big question that hangs over the top of all of it is did they do it right like if you watch the movie at the end of it. There’s still the natural slipperiness of large corporations like this and the specific evasive tactics that get used in hearings and stuff like that there’s no straight answer there isn’t a yes. We did it no we didn’t and for every accusation, so there’s an accusation they worked with levy you.

This Is Cambridge Analytic Is That Company That

we’re talking about there’s an accusation. They worked with leave da UK and it there’s some pretty damning evidence like emails going backwards and forwards. Brittany, who was one of the head exact they’re sitting on the announcement for the levy, you think etc. Etc. And yet when asked Andrew Nicks, who is the head guy at camera generally because says no we didn’t do it it was Andrew Nicks Alexander Alexander next sorry yeah yes and he says no we didn’t so even that is like no straight answers does it feel a little bit like trying to play Whack-a-mole with this well.

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Its Really Interesting.

It’s been a story about finding the truth and realizing the fragility of truth in this age and the reality that this story has intrinsic ambiguity because we really can’t know whether any of this. defining factor in any of these elections there’s no control group in elections you cannot determine whether or not this effect of that it’s a it’s a it’s all of the above. When people think about why did people vote for Brexit and why did people vote for Trump There’s no single reason. There is a perfect storm of reasons and so this is one of the reasons but what it really shows us is who is determining truth now and I really saw truth out of the only place I knew that it could be reliable in this age and that is in the courts legal truth is now the only pure truth because the Machine the media machine is a truth distortion device and then social media is a truth distortion device so when we had people lying to reporters and we have people even lying to lawmakers.

The Best Way Than To Find The

truth would be in the courts and in forensic documents and basically what is on the servers and so luckily the UK information Commissioner seized the servers under criminal warrant an important fact that the film depicts an important fact that many people do not realize and has been conducting an incredible forensic investigation on the servers and so they say. In the autumn there will be a public report on what is on those servers and to me that will be the most reliable most definitive set of evidence to answer the question who was Cambridge analytic a what did they have how did they use it and could it have had an effect. We could we shouldn’t even try to make those assessments until we have hard forensic evidence of what they had if it turns out that their data was. None and nothing special let’s look at the data and decide that if it turns out that they really did have this extraordinary database. Let’s see what was in there and see what could happen at the minimum.

We Know Whats Out There So That

we can think about the future the next elections that are coming up right away. This technology is only going to expand and has capabilities and to be honest that the popularity of this movie will inspire more bad guys to do more bad things. So it shows us that we need to inoculate ourselves against this and we need to make sure that our governments are ready to try and withstand. These kinds of attempts to subvert and industrialize democracy itself is that the scene where the police or the law enforcement go into the office building and then pull the blinds down and you can kind of see through yeah for anyone who was watching that was I wouldn’t it what the comeuppance of that was right because Cambridge analytic have filed for bankruptcy went into administration quite early in the Proceedings of when they realized that there was some bleep incoming for one of a better term, and I wondered how much of that stuff were they able to get rid of sure everyone will be thinking well what did they wipe like if the law enforcement find X then what didn’t. They find what had already perhaps managed to be binned, etc etc.

So Could You Just Give The Listeners A

background to Cambridge analytical sort of where they’d been before the the two main situations that we come up against which is Brexit and Trump’s campaign in 2016 sure so the parent company or the main company, which is called UK. It stands for used to stand for strategic Communications Laboratories. It’s actually a company that’s I think about 20 years old. It’s been around for a while actually and when you dig into the history of the company. They’ve been working in what they call election management and also defense contracting for quite some time now and ultimately when I first got into this story.

It Actually Was The Military Work

that disturbed me and troubled me the most this idea that a defense contractor was now getting into. The business of elections and the boundary between the military-industrial complex and free and fair elections had been breached by the fact that the company started a elections division called Cambridge Analytic, especially to get involved in elections in the United States and to provide services to the Republican Party and in many ways, In response to the success of the Barack Obama campaign the sort of arms race that political parties are engaged in and in one-upping each other to win elections using the latest technologies. So I think the film does a good job of acknowledging that reality and that with each successive election we gets more and more insane, so what are we gonna do to slow down the pace of escalation. There’s sort of a mutually assured destruction undertone to this that if we continue to allow military contractors to internationalize and industrialize de ma commercialize. it to the highest bidder and that there really are British aristocrats thinking they can like reconstruct the British Empire through companies Like this, it’s a kind of new colonialism and as an American one of the first sort of alarming things that I felt when I discovered who this what this really was and found some forensic proof that confirmed my worst fears is I really did have the feeling of like why is the British company interfering in my election.

It Wasnt About The Russians.

It was about the British any 200 years so it’s like there shouldn’t be any election of interference. The election should be domestic affairs and I think one of most alarming things about this company and this movie is that fundamental idea that Americans are working on British politics and.

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Summary

A weird company has been working in elections around the world for a long time and allegedly worked on the Brexit campaign and the Trump presidential campaigns as well as others . The popularity of this movie will inspire more bad guys to do more bad things. We need to inoculate ourselves against this and we need to make sure that our governments are ready to try and withstand these kinds of attempts to subvert and industrialize democracy itself. We really can’t know whether any of this was the defining factor. We should just be working in our own politics and that’s it to be honest. I’m joined by Professor David Carroll Professor Welcome the show it’s pretty overwhelming the response to the film is mind-blowing mostly because I get so many messages per minute from people around the globe saying.& Their mind is blown. It’s overwhelming UK never expected it to go this big so I mean you were in the first iteration of this particular storyline and now there’s this sort of recap of all of that…. Click here to read more and watch the full video