Death Rows Worst Killers In Their Own Words Christopher BerryDee Modern Wisdom Podcast 190

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I Never Get Scared If I Got Scared Theyd

smell it they’re like a beast in a cage and if you get scared, you lose the battle with them Instantly. It really is fascinating being up very closer personal touching some had chained up some arm death could be a heartbeat away for you. They can lose the plot nobody having corresponding with them sometimes for years. There is this interpersonal relationship. You know how far you can push them.

You Know What Pushes Their Buttons.

You know what annoys them and it’s about manipulation and mind control. They think they’re in control. But I’m in control Chris. We have wrangled technology and we’ve managed to make it work.

We Finally Got Ourselves Down South

so each other correct yeah I’m a Scot surgeon. There’s a first time for everything so this is gonna be this evening so my first. Question for you you’ve interviewed some of history’s most notorious killers people like Peter Sutcliffe and Ted Bundy Ilene warned us and Dennis Nelson and Joanne Dennehy and stuff like that if you’re out for dinner with someone new and they say so Chris what what do you? What do you do for work? How do you describe your job well? It’s actually a bit of that it’s great at parties or barbecues because most people are because that I’ve attended in the past are sort of state agents and lawyers golf club types and when they ask you where their nose up in the air? What do you do for a job? Asari interview serial killers and that instantly attracts a massive crowd and and I got a lot of fun of looking at these accountants in their jaws drop on the floor it’s different isn’t it it’s definitely. different yeah, I mean it must be a you write a barbecue. It must be a very shocking thing to hear, especially just from you know I was prepared.

Im Prepared To Speak To You

having done some research on your background when you were just expecting you to say Oh well actually I’m the area manager for this accounting firm or I do Yeah I mean I’m in Laura or whatever it might be. I just speak to serial killers so but just to clear one thing I don’t normally go to dues where people don’t know me most of the people I dine with when I get a chance and I can’t afford. It is people that do know me. I mean in the Philippines where I live most of the year I mean I done with police officers and people like that and they all homicide cops. The same I do, but some occasionally Somebody says I think I saw you on the UK You know you, the criminologist or something but to me It’s just another job.

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Chris I Mean Its Just Another Job I

suppose it is it’s the same for everyone right it’s just par for the course and so the first question The burning question I’ve got for you is what is it like to sit down and interview these people even having had this huge long illustrious career that you have with a lot of experience is there still is it still quite an odd experience to go in and and also do you get scared to answer the last question. First I never get scared. If I got scared they’d smell it they they can sense it they’re like a beast in a cage and if you get scared you lose. the battle with them instantly because they’re control freaks, they’re Psychopaths and the minute you do that you’ve got to come down to their level straightaway. It can be fascinating.

It Really Is Fascinating And Theyre All Different

being up very close to personal touching somewhat chained up some arm death could be a heartbeat away for you. They can lose the plot, but it’s knowing their back history before you go there nobody having corresponding with them sometime for years, so you. There is this interpersonal relationship. You know how far you can push them. You know what pushes their buttons.

You Know What Annoys Them And

it’s about manipulation and mind control. So I never get scared. I’m in control. They think they’re in control but I’m in control you were you had a good example of that the first character in your new talking with serial killers. book Dead Man talking John Robinson, I think that was probably a pretty good example of someone who thought he was in control and they turned the tables on him.

Yeah Yeah Homicidal Dell Boy Yeah

No you describe him. I said that actually on a UK series. I think things called born to kill or something and I had the crew on the floor of stitches and I said you’re gonna be babe and they said Yeah we leave it in that’s great so that’s what he was so. I mean you did the game he received was he was just full of bleep. I mean you know he’s a cartoon character really if you if you take away all the horror of his crimes and his manipulations there is black humour there you know so why do these serial killers open up to you at all why why.

You Well Interesting Question I Think

if we come away from serial killers We go to John Kernan, who murdered Shirley Banks in Bristol definitely the Suzy lamb clue and certainly Sandra courting Bournemouth to give you an idea when his case when he was finally locked up for life. I I wrote to him to say that I wanted to write a book about him and he came back very cocky and said Oh well now I’ve got I’ve got dozens of authors and publishers want my exclusive story so then I got John Blake my publisher that sort of send me some pictures of my book covers and I sent him those with a letter saying well thanks very much I really wanted your assistance. I think you’ve been stitched up by the police. John I’ll write the story without your cooperation thanks a lot so I put. it between a rock and a hard place and I try to use the same fishing techniques with women and male serial killers in finding out what their wants and their needs are it’s like beach fishing.

You Know Where The Fish Swim

like Robinson. You know what he wants but it’s a case of casting the right bait to catch him with Melanie UK in that book The Ice Queen she was in New Jersey upscale woman good lifestyle chopped up a husband threw him in bits and pieces in the Chesapeake Bay but but but she had hundreds of letters and publishers wanting her. So I wrote on conqueror cream conqueror paper like this his lay lady stuff. His cream stuff with an envelope and then I put my family crest wax seal on it and I sprayed it with them shonali go east so when she opened. A letter, she’s got an airmail stamp from England, which makes it different it’s classy stationery.

She Opens It And This Is

sense this smell that she remembers he go. He stole yet and it’s something she’ll come back to because this it’s a sensory thing. So I used that bait without it’s interesting that you managed to get yourself through the door using by finding out what these people want what it is that they want and then dangling that but how about when you actually sit down with them have you got a process obviously you you tend to spend a lot of time corresponding back and forth, but when you eventually do get face to face with them what you know what is it that you’re doing what is it that you’re saying or the way that you’re acting which is encouraging them to give away more. Than they usually should what what are the tricks of the trade? If you like is one thing that law enforcement my friends in the UK will tell you in the British piece you can’t use Britt police can’t use entrapment they can’t use They can’t entrap a person so but I can and and it’s really about making them feel comfortable with you and you letting them know that although that you’re on their side, but you know you’re not on their side and you are chatting really and now that could be an end game to it for me like with Arthur Shawcross. I wanted him to confess to a murder of a little schoolboy called Jack Blake.

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I Mean He Told Me You Know Its

a language now but he was inches away from me and the guard said if he loses the plot he could tell. You and of course a friend and we won’t be in the room Now we show across he literally boiled over he went white. His face went white sweat pouring down his face. When I mentioned Jack Blake, he told me not to ever mention it otherwise he’d killed me and he was but but I leaned forward and touched his knee and I said come with your girlfriend. Clara’s waiting outside and she’s asked me to be the best man at your wedding.

Arthur And Shes Going To Go

eight if you don’t tell me the whole truth and then his face is any teeth there’s a UK interview on you will see it online on the program and and and um he cracked and the fury went and he he confessed and it’s a case or sometimes they’ll eyeball you and they will say something bragging about Mike. Michael roasted the strangulation marks multiple marked round his victims necks. He got a kick out of that he giggled and then I looked at him straight in the face and said-and Mike you know you’re not a big serial killer really are you I mean seven or eight you’re not Ted Bundy give me a break come aboard. Just look stunned and then he went on to try to describe more that way done you know and and I got two cold cases. I teared up with him, which were zoom not too with Cornell University and a little girl called Kimberly can be local minimum crystal run so it depends how you play I mean sometimes it’s a serious math because you’re there to try to try to bring closer to the next of kin and you’re the only point in the talk to it so.

So There Is A Heavy Side Of

it It’s seem. I mean. This is the fact that you’ve said that you don’t get scared and yet there is a guy that says I’ll bleep kill you you know that the police are the de Guard’s far enough away for him to be able to do some serious damage before they could get in like that takes that takes some balls well with Kenneth Bianchi, the notorious health hillside Strangler I interviewed him at the Washington State Penitentiary in a small room and there was only a wooden table between us a small table and he’s got the eyes of a great white shower at and they don’t blink and you’re looking into the face of evil. You can smell him and he’s a big guy he’s strong. They do weights everyday at yard time.

You Know There Are A Lot.

of in idiots so anyway? He’s sitting across this table and he’s eyeballing me and I just kept looking at him and I got up and I walked back to his side of the table. I put my arm round him and I whispered in his ear.

Summary

Asari interview serial killers and that instantly attracts a massive crowd . It’s great at parties or barbecues because most people are state agents and lawyers golf club types . It must be a very shocking thing to hear, especially just from you know I was prepared. I’m prepared to speak to you having done some research on your background when you were just expecting you to say Oh well actually I’m the area manager for this accounting firm or I do Yeah I mean I’m in La.& There’s a first time for everything so this is gonna be this evening so my first. I never get scared if I got scared. They’d smell it they’re like a beast in a cage and if you get scared, you lose the battle with them Instantly.& They think they’re in control. But I’m In control Chris.& We have wrangled technology and we’ve managed to make it work. We finally got ourselves down south so each other correct yeah I’m a Scot surgeon….. Click here to read more and watch the full video