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Jordan Its Great To To Interview You

again. I interviewed you back in October last year and then made I’ve Now made two documentaries about you and a big focus for rebel wisdom is kind of making sense of the cultural moment and making sense of your success and what it represents and I don’t know if you remember but the very first question. I asked you back in October in the interview was firstly what do you make of your success so far and are you ready for it to continue because I had I had a sense back then that what your message represented was something the culture desperately needed. The sort of and what that signifies to me is a kind of reintegration of the sacred did you have any sense back. Then the the exponential success that you were going to have between then and now.

Well I Mean The Most Likely

outcome at each of the what would you say at each point where I might notice what’s going on around me has been that this was stopped but it isn’t stopping so I’ve been thinking about that pretty much non-stop. I would say and I have some some solutions. Let’s say or some ideas that I didn’t present. In October so one of the things I’ve realized is that part of what’s pushing part of what’s accounting for this the popularity of my ideas is actually a secondary consequence of a technological revolution and I’ve seen that more clearly since October party because I can see the mainstream media dying at a faster and faster rate and the alternative media expanding faster and faster. So television radio and the classic print media had shared one thing in common, which was a extreme restriction in.

This Was Especially True Of Television Because Each

minute of television given the necessity to broadcast in the that was unbelievably expensive and so there just wasn’t time to do anything on television. There’s no time and so if you had something important to say or even something unimportant for that matter. Most of the time it had to be compressed into something approximating 30 seconds which wouldn’t even be your words. It would be a journalist common commenting on what you said and if you were really pushing the envelope maybe you’d have 25 minutes on a talk show that was devoted to your ideas, but then even that would be highly scripted and so television made people look stupider than they were even to the producers of television because of this narrow bandwidth the the rise of video online and audio as well has blown the bandwidth limitation. out of our mass communication and it turns out that people are smarter with longer attention spans than we thought what happened with me was that for one reason or another.

I Was An Early Adopter Of That Technology

and so there’s this massive technological transformation, which is a Gutenberg revolution in the provision of video and audio no barrier to production because it doesn’t cost anything anyone can do it. People can communicate with it You can cut up UK videos you can make your documentaries. The entry point is easy audio podcasts and that sort of thing which can be of indefinite length allow people to use found time to listen. More people can listen than can read like. All of these things add up to a massive technological revolution and it’s that upswell in technology that in part has propelled what I’ve been doing to to to.

To To To To To This Mass

audience and so that’s been a relief to figure that out because it depersonalized is it to some degree right and so I used the metaphor when I’ve been asked about this before of being on a wave. I’m surfing on a giant wave, but the wave isn’t something that I’ve done. It’s part of this technological revolution, so that’s a relief to know that and I’m quite convinced that that’s the case because there are other people who are occupying the same space Essentially Joe Rogan is a very good example of that and the various commentators on on UK who’ve become increasingly influential and powerful same thing driven by the technology they happen to be early adopters and so and then there’s a secondary question which is well is there anything specific in relationship to my content. Let’s say and I. Would say also that is it the case and I think what I’ve been able to do with reasonable effectiveness is to draw a conceptual equation equivalence between the meaning that’s necessary to sustain you in life given its suffering and malevolence and the necessity to adopt responsibility and I think there’s something new about that I mean I don’t know how new I’m sure I am UK the first person who’s discovered that but I think I’ve done a reasonable job of pointing out to people that that the suffering that’s intrinsic to life in the absence of meaning is not tolerable it it it destroys and corrupts and that the proper pathway out of that isn’t rights or happiness or entitlement or or anything that’s associated with with with individual ease let’s say, but with the adoption of something approximating maximum responsibility and people get that like it’s.

Its Not That Hard To Understand When Its

laid out like that and lots of people, especially young people, especially people who are young and also somewhat nihilistic in their orientation. Perhaps because of an excess of intellectual criticism are they grab that immediately think Oh there’s the missing piece. I see it’s that the the antidote to this meaninglessness this void that I’m for isn’t hedonism. It’s not right it’s not impulsive pleasure. It’s none of that it’s responsibility.

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Its Like Oh Yes Okay That Everything Snaps

into place and so that’s been. I think that’s the most essential part of the message to the degree that what I’m doing has an essential message that would be it and I do think that’s what accounts for a large part of its impact and you mentioned Joe Rogan before you and here group together in this sort of new constellation. of the intellectual dark web, What do you see is the I mean what you make of your kind of inclusion in this and what do you see is its role going forward in the culture well well it’s it’s it’s it’s like a herd of cats right because so I’ve thought about well what what what unites us to the degree that there’s an us because that’s not so self-evident there’s enough of an us so that the name emerged and it’s stuck so so there’s something in common because otherwise the name wouldn’t have stuck right you can’t name nothing It doesn’t work and I’ve talked a fair bit about this with Dave Rubin because Dave Rubin and I have been touring together right. He opens my my discussions and adds a nice comedic touch to them and so what do we have in common Everybody in the group is an independent practitioner. So an entrepreneur essentially with their own media enterprise that’s autonomous None of us are serving any master except the audience.

So So And And Were All Somewhat Independent

financially as a consequence of that and so that makes us beholden to no master. All of us are engaged in these long-form discussions right and one of the consequences of being engaged in a long-form discussion is that you can assume that your intelligence that your audience is intelligent and so that’s another thing that unites everybody in the group is we all assume that our audience is intelligent. But I think that that’s not so much a consequence of any particular moral virtue on our parts, but an observation that the technology has made possible it’s like Oh when you can see this I would say particularly with Roman because in some sense he’s a trailblazer in this domain it’s like Oh turns out my audience will listen to the three-hour discussion, but he wouldn’t been able to discover that without the technology right so now to his credit. He was smart enough to discover it and smart enough to notice it when he discovered. And I think that also characterizes the rest of the people in this group It’s like oh look at that the audience actually wants our listeners.

Lets Say In Viewers Want Detailed In-Depth Unscripted

spontaneous meaningful conversation and then really are willing to go in that direction that’s the risk-taking element like I can give an example of that so I just did for talks with Sam Harris who’s often grouped into this group as well on the relationship between science and religion, say or facts and values that’s another way of thinking about it with a bit of politics thrown in discussion of left/right differences and so on what’s the willingness to take the risk well. I had no idea when I Ament Sam in Vancouver, which was where the first two of the four talks were held. I’d never met him before we did a two podcast together. Which was very we got locked in the other one which was more productive. I would say but I had no idea of he had I could talk, but we we we were willing to willing to.

I Guess Thats Right Agreed To Take

the risk to see if we could talk in a public forum and and I think that’s another thing that characterizes the people in that group is that they will take those sorts of risks. If you go into a television studio. A classic television studio all the conversation is scripted and it’s actually quite frustrating because you can’t have a conversation with the journalist because the journalist isn’t there who’s. There is a frontispiece for the organization and the organization has scripted all there and so it’s not actually like talking to a person.

Its Really Like Talking To A Puppet So

for better or for worse, but in these long-unscripted long-form conversations. Then you can take the risk of having a conversation and that can go spectacularly well, but it can also fail dismally. So I would say those are the things that unite us to the degree that the group exists. I mean I admit I was in UK a week ago and about seven of us got together for for dinner and that was the first time.

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group and you know it was interesting to watch everybody interact because as I said it really is a herd of cats. There’s tremendous diversity of political opinion and a tremendous diversity of personality. Like Eric Weinstein and Joe Rogan like they’re not even members of the same species in some ways you know so so. a very fractious group? But I think those things that I outlined are the elements that basically unite it.

Theres Also Something That I Sense Watching Some

of the discussions there’s a kind of intellectual curiosity and a sense of people thinking in public and and there’s also a sense of maybe the potential for people to change their minds or to discover things during the conversation well that’s partly the appreciation of the intelligence of the audience. It’s like and I would say it is actually the manifestation of the process of thinking that’s more important than the conclusions that are generated even in these discussions that I’ve been having with Harris like we are trying to to argue out to different viewpoints because Harris believes that values can be derived with with with unerring precision in some sense using the proper methodology from facts and I I believe. that it’s.


Jordan has been thinking about that pretty much non-stop since October last year . He says mainstream media is dying at a faster and faster rate and alternative media expanding faster . Jordan says he has seen that more clearly since October party because he can see the mainstream media dying faster and more clearly . Jordan: “I’ve been thinking and I have some some solutions.& Let’s say or some ideas that I didn’t present.& In October I’ve realized that part of what’s pushing part of the pushing part is what’s accounting for this the popularity of my ideas is actually a secondary consequence of a technological revolution” Jordan: I’ve seen that . I’ve also seen that I’ve had some some some problems with the media, but I’m not going to give it a chance to get back into the mainstream. I’m looking forward to the future. I want to see it again. It’s not going away. I’ve got back to the mainstream, it’s not a problem….. Click here to read more and watch the full video