How To Read Behaviour Like An FBI Agent Robin Dreeke Modern Wisdom Podcast 063

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Hi Friends Today My Guest Is Robin

Drake and he is the ex-head of theNK] Behavioral Science Division. Now that sounds like an incredibly secretive and exciting job to have it really is today. ‘s discussion takes us through Robins 21-year in field career, including when he was in Manhattan on 9/11. He was out for coffee with his friend as the first plane struck the North Tower and then back on the 25th floor of his department. When the second plane hit apart from that we’re also going to learn the verbal and nonverbal cues that both you can use to help encourage trust and make your communication with others more effective and also to be able to detect deception in other people.

Robin Really Is The Real Deal.

It’s evident that he has a very terrifying and wide-ranging skill set of personal and interpersonal communication I’m. Super happy to have him on I’m not gonna pontificate anymore Please welcome Robin Drake, Oh yeah UK we did have some connection issues during this episode. I promised that any of the cuts I made weren’t due to Robin given away national secrets and also the irony of a podcast about communication being beset with communication problems is not lost, but there may be a couple of jumps here and there so just bear that in mind so Robin is this the moment where the UK first in through the door of my bedroom and tell me that we need to stop this no cuz I duck and we’ve really well and you’re on the other side of the screen. So you’re gonna be fine well anyway thank you very much for coming on welcome to modern wisdom it’s a pleasure our view here.

Thanks Thanks For Having Me.

I’m excited about it as well it’s gonna be a great great conversation. So can you tell the listeners at home what your job roles were please Sure so I’ll kind of give you a chronology from the beginning to the end without taking a million million million minutes to do this just cuz it’s not boring, but it’s good to frame the background of where I came from to where I arrived and where I’m still going to and that is so my background is. I graduated from the United States Naval Academy here in Maryland” target=”_blank” rel=”noreferrer noopener”>Annapolis Maryland and from there went on to become a Marine Corps officer and from there I joined the UK and I joined the UK in 1997 and worked counterintelligence for my entire career. So I was assigned to New York Field office in Manhattan.

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From There I Went To Norfolk Virginia From

Norfolk. Virginia I went into management so I went up to the Jay Edgar Hoover Building here in WashingtonNK]. Also during out my entire career, I worked Russians so that’s kind of the the nouveau thing these days. Although for 21 years Don’t was listening to me and so and so when I started running the behavioral now. You know the program at headquarters there my time in New York before I got there.

I Got On Our Behavioral Analysis

program for counterintelligence and what the behavioral analysis program is and a lot of people know about the profilers and the behavioral analysis units from things like Criminal Minds and movies like that there was a criminal guys. The guys who work on criminal cases. My team. We were nothing but counterintelligence cases and my team’s whole strategy all the time was how we’re going to create a good healthy. Healthy engagement with another human being, whether you’re trying to recruit a spy talk to someone interview someone whatever it is? We were always strategizing engagements and so from UK headquarters.

I Eventually Escaped Thank God Because Im

not a I’m not a headquarters guy realized and asked me to go down to Quantico, where I taught counterintelligence interviewing and source recruiting and things like that and then I took over our behavioral team as the head of it back in 2010. Ish and I ran it for three or four years until sequestration, which was a big budget thing. We had eliminated my team and a bunch of things and so I went back down to the street and I worked as an agent on the street working counterintelligence from the hospital years before I retired so yeah. My entire career has been nothing about trying to recruit spies. Catching spies talking to sources all nothing but Intel all the time right I mean that sounds like this stuff novels are made of right.

Theres A Lot Of Psych Kind

of the typical spice that sounds like the proper James Bunch it it is it is you know straight funny and I actually you know you’d be in the UK is really great. I have a saying with special I was in New York. I love love working with the Queen because we we worked with Mi5 and Mi6 a lot and I love them a lot because their funding was always better than ours and they’re great hosts very very great hosts that’s awesome well. I you know. I think the Brits are pretty well renowned for the fact we have good tea and you know the weather’s not so good but everything else that wasn’t what we’re.

That Wasnt What We Were Drinking Yeah, So

you’ve mentioned there some you know New York Field office in Manhattan and the J Edgar Hoover Building. Those are places that I really only know as references for movies, but that sounds like a sort of place where there’s an awful lot going on a pretty big hub of activity. I’m gonna guess yeah, but you know I always you know I’m always I mean just think about this people are generally under and pressed with their own jobs. It’s you know it’s always it’s always the outside optic. You know for me.

It Was My Job.

Basically. My job was to build a relationship to build trust yeah. I got you and so what was interesting was you know a lot of people so you know I wound up writing a bunch of articles and I wrote a couple books. I got another one coming out this week year and my my intro to whatever I’m doing a speech, a talk you know podcast or even in my writing.

It Always Starts Out With Me

kind of laying out that background of mine, which says Wow This guy is a type hard-charging guy okay and say absolutely right the problem is if you want to recruit spies you’re going to fail majestically would that be and with that kind of behavior of profile okay so take us take us through what that means and why that’s the case sure well and this is how I’ve really related to business with all the companies I work with because I called my job the most challenging one in sales because it was literally the toughest sales job. I think anyone could have and that’s what I have always run in transition and I talked to a lot of groups outside the UK. Obviously that’s all I talked to now. This is how I line it out because when I was in New York my job is to recruit spice here’s what that meant first of all you know I’m selling a concept to someone from a foreign country and the concept I’m selling is that help in the United States is really a good idea and even though it’s might not be in your best interest for your country. It’s in the best interest of my country.

So First Of All Im Selling A

concept an idea that helping and cooperating with me is a great idea so that’s that’s so that’s my product the second most challenging thing now is it’s actually illegal for me as UK. to walk up and talk to a foreign diplomat because all the spies are foreign diplomats under diplomatic cover and by treaty, it’s actually illegal for me to approach them. So if my client that I’m trying to sell this product to one doesn’t really care for my product-it’s illegal for me to actually contact them about my product that that’s your first challenge does it cover the big barrier is there yeah really are and and the other thing, so if you can’t talk to them directly. You’re gonna maybe try to sell through third parties you know some of their contacts and you know in law enforcement. I love to say you know this this an out because most people that work in law enforcement.

Theres A Reason Why People Have

to talk to them. They’ve them they’ve done something illegal So there’s a compulsion but when you work in the world of counterintelligence very rarely have people done something illegal. You know this takes pies. For instance, you know it doesn’t matter what country they’re in all they’re doing is collecting intelligence and what generally is intelligence well. It’s actually reading things in the newspaper hearing things on the news or or looking at a blog or something like this and so you get in information and now Your next job is is to source that information to people in the know so say they read something a newspaper they read a blog.

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They See A Posting Well Now Theyre

gonna go to like the president of a clear the funds contractor. Another diplomat someone from a think-tank that they can say what do you think about this now they get their opinion on it. Now that Penny in has sourcing now sourcing becomes intelligence and none of that’s illegal and so there’s no compulsion for them to want to talk to me because they’ve done nothing illegal. It’s illegal for me to talk to them. They don’t want to buy my product and now I want to talk to people that are around them and the people around them that are talking to they’re not doing anything illegal either and so yes I want to quickly realize you know when you’re in your late twenties and you have this hardcore type of personality is if you approach people with that kind of personality that don’t have any reason why they should want to talk to you.

Youre Going To Get Shut Down Really

fast and so that was my background so luckily for me though I was on a squad of people that were. My Jedi Masters you know one in particular his name is John. You know he had this art form down and just give me an example. You know in my line of work or my previous line of work. Getting you know actually recruiting a spy from another country to cooperate with us and give us all the jewels of the kingdom.

Its Its Like Hitting Lotto Its

that rare and it’s that beneficial when it does you know or winning you know winning the sweepstakes yeah and when you do it’s it’s extremely beneficial. So I always viewed my job. Every day is like buying a lotto ticket. I create operations that give me an opportunity to hit lotto yeah or hit that sweepstakes and you know unbeknownst to me.

One Of The Guys On That I Was

working with that became my mentor guide and and really my. best friend he had hit a lot of 14 times in his career, Yeah No kidding and it was really dumbfound because I never knew that for years just because one of the one of his great tenants of life is, he lived with great humility and humbleness. He never made it about him his desk at work that had no I love me trophies or posters on it um it was always about everyone.

Summary

Robin Drake is the ex-head of theNK] Behavioral Science Division . He was out for coffee with his friend as the first plane struck the North Tower and then back on the 25th floor of his department . We’re also going to learn the verbal and nonverbal cues that both you can use to help encourage trust and make your communication with others more effective and also to be able to detect deception in other people . We’ll also learn how to use nonverbal and verbal cues to encourage people to trust each other more effectively . The UK first in through the door of my bedroom and tell me that we need to stop this no cuz I duck and we’ve really well and you’re on the other side of the screen.& I promised that any of the cuts I made weren’t due to Robin given away national secrets and also the irony of a podcast about communication is not lost, but there may be a couple of jumps here and there so just bear that in mind, but it’s not…. Click here to read more and watch the full video