Meaning Awe and the Conceptualization of God Part 13 202

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Video Creator’s Channel Jordan B Peterson

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Its Not Easy To Understand That Other People

are genuinely different from you and how they might be different and maybe even more difficult is to understand that the differences. Although frustrating are also necessary. It isn’t obvious to me that anyone wants to leave live a meaningless existence. I don’t think you can live a meaningless existence without becoming corrupted because the pain of existence will corrupt you without a saving meaning, and it also seems to me that you can sell the story that meaning is to be found in responsibility. When I’ve tried to sell that story to myself.

I Seem To Buy It And When Ive

tried to communicate it with other people. It renders them silent large crowds of people silent and that’s strange because I’m not sure why that is it’s perhaps because the connection between responsibility and meaning had never been made for. in in that explicitly somehow because meaning gets contaminated with happiness or something like that, but it’s to be found in responsibility and then you could say well. There isn’t any any responsibility that’s more compelling than trying to aid things in the manifestation of their divine form that should be an adventure that could be sold and I don’t know why the church can’t do it. I don’t understand that and because it seems to me that that’s something that I’ve done at least in part and that accounts for the strange popularity of the Biblical lectures in particular Yeah and but I’ve also and I I do believe that I do believe that that the right striving is to attempt with all your heart to encourage things to develop along that towards that divine goal like what else would you possibly do once you think that through it’s.

Like Youre Always Aiming At Something Thats

better or you wouldn’t be aiming you’re always moving towards something that’s better or you wouldn’t be moving So then why wouldn’t you move towards the greatest good yeah well It’s because it’s terrifying. I suppose in part but then as you know I’ve tried to put that into practice in my life and it’s tearing me into pieces Yeah. I asked you to define love and I’m going to define it on my terms now and that is the best in me serving the best in you, and I think that’s the deepest pleasure that’s the deepest and most lasting pleasure and it is the most fundamental fundamental motivation. It’s the inexhaustible source because if I can do that whenever I do that I feel that I’m being properly and there’s nothing better than that and you can extend that to you. can extend that to to to to the world to situations places well.

I Think Thats What Youre Supposed

to do by accepting the proposition that God is love. I mean it’s God is love and God is logos. Those are those are both there. So then the question to some degree is the rank order of the two and I would say God is truth within love and that’s the animating spirit of mankind and that’s a way different claim than the one. The atheists are going after by the way yeah think about it.

Everyone Is Truth Is Truth In

the service of love, not the best animating spirit of mankind. When it isn’t pursuing an aberration. We can all ask ourselves that question I think that’s a a good question to ask thank you joe what I mean I I think it it re I think it. Reorients us today? We can put that on a t-shirt is is truth in the service of love a good question. I I guess I, I see them as more.

I I See Them As More Interpenetrating.

I want to make a stronger relationship between them than just a relationship of service. I mean, this is a matter of man yeah that that this is why. I like the term realization that love is a way of of affording realization and it and the deepest knowing you have of reality is in realization that’s what I if I had to okay so well, so it seems to me okay so I’ll make I’ll make an appendage to my claim right the reality that is most justifiable is brought about by the action of truth in the service of love Yeah, but I I guess what I’m saying is I. truth I I think you’re using it and I’ve heard you use true as something beyond a a correspondence between the semantic content of a proposition reality.

Ive Heard You Talk About Yes Right Right

and we even use that when we when we use the phrase yes, it seems to incorporate some of those other dimensions that exactly talking about exactly okay great man so fill me in well that’s what I’m trying to get at. I’m trying to get at that power is a way of you know when when your shot is true, your skill has been effective and and you’re going to hit the mark right but but but presence is also a way in which things are are true to form right and and then care but the participatory knowing is when we’re like the deepest sense of true, which is you know related to. trust and and being betrothed to the world in an important way, So if you will allow me to expand what you mean by true to cover all of those dimensions betrothed to the world in that you extend the same courtesy to the world that you described extending to your partner exactly I think the the answer to Nihilism isn’t some propositional answer or this is what I get from Nishite yeah right it’s to re-learn and I mean this deeply in the Buddhist sense of Sati to remember what it is to fall in love with reality to fall in love with being and if that’s what you’re saying is the enemy do you think that’s what Sam Harris is striving for in his spirituality well and it’s not a it’s not a throwaway answer it’s like what’s he up to exactly I mean he’s he’s he isn’t. On a sofia um finally a sofia adventure I think everybody is how can I put this everybody lives from the the non–propositional kinds of knowing emphasized by Plato and that’s what all of the scholastic research is pointing to now that Socrates was trying to point people to the non–propositional knowing the procedural. The perspective of the participatory.

I Think We All Have To Live From

that given a lot of things. I’ve said a lot of things we’ve said well you should maybe you could you could expound on those a bit more for us and clarify a bit more and so. You said the answer to nihilism that isn’t that isn’t exactly a comment on my comment that the culture war is about the claim that the drive to power is at the core of Western being. I think that’s an equally nihilistic claim. I that’s that’s.

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Claim The The Claim Is Nihilistic

or my claim about that is nihilistic on both that power is a fundamental reality is an attempt to assaje the wounding of nihilism, but it is fundamentally mistaken in its endeavor. It will it is it is it is constituted the wrong way it’s like framing a problem the wrong way, so that yeah you know do not get the insight needed to get to the solution of the problem. I so I think of it as a fundamental misframing that’s what I’m trying to say okay that’s why that’s why I’m not. I’m that’s why I’m hesitant to say either yes or no to it because I get it yeah well. I believe that I believe that it is misframed because I don’t think it would be taking us in such a pathological direction the whole argument exactly if it wasn’t miss.

Frame Ive Been Thinking Psychologically Again About

Christianity and I know that Christianity is an extension of other metaphysical forms of thought, but that predated, but it looked to me like and and some of those were derived from Mesopotamia, and some of them were derived from Greece, and some of them were derived from Judaism and other sources, but they all seem to me to be part of the conversation that human beings have been having amongst themselves for thousands of years About what the nature of the ideal human being is, and now I see these cathedrals. These works of art in architecture that took a tremendous amount of labor and produce a dome-like structure that represents the sky and you see Christ as logos spread out on the sky as a transcendent force and you ask yourself well, what exactly is that signifying and the answer is. least the proposition of a kind of ideal that’s associated with let’s say universal love and truth in speech that’s the logos summed up in two phrases and if there’s no metaphysical reality there at all there’s still this imaginative enterprise that characterizes the entire human what imaginative effort cultural effort to posit a transcendent ideal that we would live in relationship to and I I just don’t see that case being made very strongly and I can’t really understand why because isn’t it rather obvious that at least part of what Christianity has been is the attempt by thousands of people over thousands of years to specify the nature of an ideal certainly I would say so and I would say that the fact that these principles actually work is proof of their of the proof of there being true accounts of what the nature of the real is. well let’s let’s approach this from a couple of different angles Jordan, You know the first is one of the things that I I profoundly believe is that you know these young people seeking you know deeper answers and you know to. However, much they may be flailing about you know it’s not their fault that many perhaps most of the institutions they will encounter will betray that which is deepest in them.

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Well Well Well Well Denigrate Well Tell Them

no none of this thing that none of these things that you’re seeking are really real. I mean I think you know I’ve been talking thinking a lot over the years about architecture and what is going on in brutalist architecture and and it really does seem to me that in brutalist architecture to live in relation to brutalist architecture. It is as if you had a parent. That said you know you’re nothing you’re nothing you’ll never amount to and of course, there are terrible people terrible to say people actually there are people in these situations who live with with such dysfunctional lack of love and antagonism. This is the way that this is the home life that they that that some people terribly have but I’m using this as an example because I think what brutalist architecture does is it declares to the whole world and to you that you are there is no truth.

There Is No Beauty.

You are nothing accept it it’s just a concrete annihilating force and and and and and you see this culture of repudiation. I mean here in in in not here you’re in Canada, I’m in the states in Savannah now but you know the the chateau Laurier I think I misspoke recently called it the the. Frontenac, which is in Quebec, but in Ottawa, you know the Chateau Laurier there’s been a a desire to expand this sort of beautiful sort of neo-gothic building um.

Summary

It isn’t obvious to me that anyone wants to leave live a meaningless existence . The pain of existence will corrupt you without a saving meaning, and you can sell the story that meaning is to be found in responsibility . The connection between responsibility and meaning had never been made for.& in in that explicitly somehow because meaning gets contaminated with happiness or something like that, but it’s to be . with responsibility and then you could say well. There isn’t any any any responsibility that’s more compelling than trying to aid things in the manifestation of their divine form that should be an adventure that could be sold and I don’t know why the church can’t do it.& I suppose in part but I do believe that that the right striving is to try with all your heart to encourage things to develop along that towards that divine goal like what else would you possibly do . It’s terrifying. It’s because it’s terrifying to move towards the greatest good yeah well It’s because it’…. Click here to read more and watch the full video