Superabundance The Age of Plenty Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley 284

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Its Very Difficult.

I think for modern young people in particular to really understand how poor people were absolutely yeah absolutely the best. The best example I like to use is the sugar example and it’s like well the time it took you to earn the money to buy one pound of sugar in 1850. How many pounds do you think you could get today. I’d love to serve my students on this and they’ll say oh like two pounds or four pounds, you get 227 pounds.

It Might Explain Why Were Also

fat is because sugar has become just tremendously abundant hello everyone I have with me today a guest I’ve had on before Dr. Marion Tupian, a new guest his co–author at the moment of a new book called Super Abundance. The story of population growth, Innovation and human flourishing on an infinitely Bountiful Planet 2022. It’s the most complete opposite of any apocalyptic title you might ever. Envision.

Marion Has Talked To Me Before, Particularly

about his book 10 Global Trends. Every smart person should know and many others. You will find interesting that was published in 2020. Marion is the editor of Human progress. org, which is a very good site and I retweet them quite consistently.

Hes A Senior Fellow At The

Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity and the co-author of that Simon Abundance Index, which we will talk about to some degree. Today. He specializes in globalization study of globalization, and Global well-being and politics and the economics of Europe and southern Africa. Dr Gail Pulley is associate professor of business management at Brigham Young University at HawaIi. He’s taught economics and statistics at Alfazo University in Riyadh.

Brigham Young In Idaho Boise State University

in the College of Idaho. He earned his UK and economics and Boise State in The Graduate Work at Montana State completed his UK at the University of Idaho. He’s been part of the development of the Simon Abundance index as well and as I said is the co-author of this new book, Super Abundance, which is a lot different than apocalyptic Doom as I pointed out um. Both of doctors. Tupi and Gail have published widely in the public domain as well as professionally in Outlets like Financial Times, the National Review, the particularly evil Journal, Quilette Forbes, the American Spectator The Washington Post Etc any of your what would you call them traditional suspects or Usual Suspects so anyways we’re going to talk about this new book today.

Super Abundance A Three-Part 10 Chapter

analysis of why strangely enough things seem. A lot better than we think and perhaps better than they ever were and although we’re more concerned about it than we ever seem to have been before so welcome gentlemen thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me and congratulations on your new book thank you very much I’m delighted to be with you Yeah so let’s let’s start with super abundance I don’t know whether to start with with Julian Simon’s famous bet that’s not a it’s kind of a nice narrative entry point Eh um I think that’s that’s right Yeah all right well, so why don’t you why do you outline for for our listeners and viewers the nature of this famous bat why it was made and what it what its broader cultural significance was because it was really a watershed bat I think in many ways well so in the post-second. War-era Global populations started to grow at a much faster rate than before, partly because of a tremendous amount of medical and scientific knowledge that started to spread around the world. Babies started to um you know if your babies started to die. Young people started to grow long, um grow older and so forth and um some people started to freak out about it.

They Thought That There Was Going

to be too many people in the world and consequently we were going to run out of resources prices of resources were going to go Sky High and there would be MAss starvation. Now the man who brought this particular Obsession or potential problem into the public sphere was Paul Ehrlich, who still is alive. He’s, a biologist at Stanford University and in 1968 still causing trouble still causing trouble still to yeah and in 1968 he wrote. An extremely popular books book which sold millions of copies called the population Bomb and the population Bomb started in a sort of very terrifying language that we have become accustomed to from extreme environmentalists over the decades, and he basically said no matter what policy changes we are going to make now In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people are going to die due to starvation. In fact, none of that happened nonetheless Paul early’s book the population bomb scared and scarred psychologically generations of people.

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Movies Had Been Made About How The

world was going to run out of resources and and in a catastrophe. The one of the more famous ones was with Charlton Heston. It was called Soylent Green and the reason why it’s important is because Soylent Green, whilst it was filmed in 1974 was supposed to come to fruition in 2022. Which is this year and the basic premise of the book was that the world was completely empty of food and so every time a person died that person would be converted into biscuits called soil and green, which would be then fed to the people who stayed behind so on the other side right so so a lot of this just to give some background to that too a lot of this was based on hypothetical biological thinking predicated on the work of Malthus and it’s sort of a yeast or rat model of human existence. So if you have a colony of yeast and you and they have a finite medium that they’re growing in so a finite source of food and you let the yeast multiply or let them know provide them with the preconditions for their multiplication.

Their Population Will Expand Until They Consume All

the. available resources and then it will precipitate precipitously collapse in Starvation and people tried similar although less simple experiments with rats showing similar behavior and then I would say documented similar phenomena in the field. I mean animals will over graze, for example, if their herbivores will overgraze available crop land if they’re not kept in check, so to speak by predators and biologists extrapolated from this and said that under all other things being equal populations will expand until they consume more available resources than will sustain them, and then they will tend to precipitously collapse and then that was applied to the human condition, but the as we see from the rest of your story. The economists objected to this yes so the view that just you just described is particularly popular amongst amongst biologists. Economists Don’t think like that because they recognize that human beings are fundamentally.

Different From Rats Or Deer Or Rabbits

or whatever else or Yeast or Yeast? We have this thing called intelligence and the ability to apply these little gray cells in order to come up with Innovations, which can get around the problem of scarcity, so on the other side of the country. Early as I said was in Stanford in California on the other side of the country. In in the University of Maryland. There was an economist called Julian Simon, a a very very intelligent and very interesting man who looked at the data actually and started noticing that things were becoming cheaper, which means that they were becoming less scarce even though population of the world continued to increase. Therefore.

In 1980 He Made A Bet

with Paul Ehrlich and the UK was on the price of five Commodities. Let me see if I can remember them the the the UK was on the price of chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten, and the deal was as this as such if. Over the next 10 years between 1980 and 1990, the price of these five Metals became more expensive. They became scarcer. Simon would pay Ehrlich, but if they became cheaper, then Erlig would pay Simon well.

The Uk Came To An End In 1919.

September 29 1990 and the inflation adjusted price of these five Metals dropped by 36 percent in spite of the fact that the population of the world arose by almost a billion and in spite of the fact that they both agreed that that would be the basket they would bet on actually Ehrlich picked the the basket. Yes Simon was Simon was generous enough. He said Paul Ehrlich pick any five Commodities or. Any any five Commodities you want and those were the ones that early picked well? What’s so interesting about that I think well.

Theres Many Many Things That Are Interesting

about it. But one of the things that’s so interesting is that you might infer from that that in order to put your notion forward as a scientific hypothesis you actually have to bind it with a time frame. You can’t just say well at some point in the future. The population is going to expand to the point where we consume all our resources It’s like well. What do you mean you mean a year 10 years a hundred a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred and fifty thousand a million.

You Mean You Get To Have The

whole time frame for you to be right or no Are you accurate enough in your knowledge so that you can actually pin it down. Let’s say within a decade or something some reasonable fraction of a human life at least and so because I mean the biologists who when they responded to that bet because it was quite the cultural what moment in some sense that Simon won the rejoinder from the environmentalist Doom types was well. We were off by a few decades and that’s why we lost it isn’t that we’re wrong it’s just that these things are complex and our time frame was wrong. It’s like yeah If your time frame is wrong, then your theory is wrong and if you can’t place the time frame around it, then your theory is so weak that you should just be. Quiet about it and I think the same thing applies to all this climate Doom as well it’s like specify it well.

We Cant Its Too Complex Well

then quit terrifying everyone you know another thing that was interesting about it is you know as professors. We get to say all kinds of things and never be really held accountable for it and so putting money on the table. You know also added this really interesting Dimension to it is not only is it framed in time it’s framed with with a bet so got to hold this guy accountable for his for his claim some skin in the game well and then there’s a reputational issue too right because it was a very public bet and it was it wasn’t so famous when they first made it. But by the time it came around for the UK to be.

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Settled And I Would Say This Is

particularly true of Julian Simon, who we should talk about for a moment um Paul Air like’s a pretty smart biologist. But Julian Simon was a genius and so that’s useful for people to know too. I mean he was a truly outstanding mind and for him to be optimistic in the face of what was almost a universal pessimism in the late 60s and early.

Summary

Dr Gail Pulley is associate professor of business management at Brigham Young University at HawaIi.& Marion Tupian is the editor of Human progress.org, which is a very good site and I retweet them quite consistently.& He’s a senior fellow at the Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity and the co-author of that Simon Abundance Index, which we will talk about to some degree. Dr Pulley: The time it took you to earn the money to buy one pound of sugar in 1850.& How many pounds do you think you could get today.& I’d love to serve my students on this and they’ll say oh like two pounds or four pounds, you get 227 pounds.& It might explain why we’re also fat is because sugar has become just tremendously abundant. The best example I like to use is the sugar example. It’s very difficult to understand how poor people were absolutely yeah absolutely the best. It may explain why people are also fat….. Click here to read more and watch the full video