Teaching the Voice of Conscience Paul Rossi JBP Podcast S4 2022 E17


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There Is An Urgent Need To Reaffirm

and advance its core principles. Fair is the foundation against intolerance and racism. Fair gets that our civil rights and liberties need to be protected it’s not enough just to be anti-racist. We also need to be pro-human to insist on our common humanity to advocate for fairness and understanding to demand that we are each entitled to equality under law to bring about a world in which we are all judged by the content of our character and not by the color of our skin that’s where fair comes in moving forward together as one race the human race I support fair I support fair I support support I support faith support I support fair join us I’m pleased to have with me today. Mr.

Paul Rossi.

is a high school mathematics teacher and writer. He graduated from Cornell University with a Ba in French literature in 1992 and from Hunter College in New York City with an M. a in educational psychology. In 2010.

Hes Been Teaching Mathematics Including Algebra

2 and Calculus at Grace Church High School in Manhattan. Since 2012. His April 2021 essay I refuse to stand by while my students are indoctrinated was recently published on stacks common sense with Barry Weiss. Ms. Weiss is a former New York Times journalist who resigned over differences with her employer and began to function as an independent investigative writer on sub stack thank you very much for agreeing to talk with me today.

Its A Pleasure To Be Here Whats Your

life like at the moment well I have a little more time than than usual. At this point I would you know be teaching. classes you know I would have you know up to three classes a day, but they’ve they’ve taken my classes away and assigned them to some other folks and so I I basically have no more teaching duties right now. so I have a lot of time for volunteer work and some other other things like this which has been you know a good chance to tell my story okay so you’re working at at Grace at sorry. It’s grace Grace Church high school and walk us through what happened You you’re a mathematics teacher there and you published an essay with barry weiss last week and tell us about the school first well We’re we’re K through 12 school that opened up a high school in 2012 so that well.

It Was It Was K Through Eight

and then they opened in ninth grade. And then as the ninth moved to the tenth and they brought in another ninth grade and so we we had a complete high school by 2016. and you know our high school is um. It’s a prep school um, but over over the course of the you know, particularly the last five years we’ve you know five six years we’ve been implementing an anti–racist curriculum programming for our students as well as you know because as we were told in 2015 diversity equity and inclusion is not enough and we needed to move towards a so-called anti–racist um pedagogy and program so that was beyond diversity inclusivity and equity right. It’s a private it’s a private high school private high school that’s right it’s called independent.

The Tuition Is Approximately How Much A Year

I believe that’s up to 57 000 a year. I think I could. 60. and how big a school is it well. Our high school has about 340 students in it and you know maybe 100 120 faculty.

Im Not Really Sure What The Ratio

is my faculty and staff did you enjoy teaching there. I did I love teaching math um. I it’s just it’s a wonderful thing and I you know I didn’t I got into teaching math late um, but it’s it’s something that I really enjoy this year has been hard because we’ve been teaching I’ve been teaching hybrid, which means I teach both on zoom um or you know I guess until recently and to students in the classroom simultaneously. So that’s been a technical challenge. It’s also been you know a challenge to keep you know everybody engaged and also to to focus my attention where it needs to be um.


This has been a difficult year. Yes I imagine so Would you have considered your relationships with you, your faculty, peers and the administration and the students was that essentially positive during the duration of your tenure as a teacher there, Yeah, I mean I would say it has been positive. I mean my colleagues they sort of know where I stand I haven’t. I haven’t sort of I haven’t taken great pains to hide my thinking .

In Some Cases, Ive Gotten Into Some

spats with with them over you know differences in the way that the programming has been delivered. and you know the essentially the foundations the belief the system of belief which animates it. But I will say you know I’ve had very cordial relations with you know the dean of equity and inclusion and the office of community engagement as people you. know I find I finally get along and with the students and the students You know I had a difficult first couple years as a teacher. I did took me some time to really settle on a personality that worked for me.

But I Kind Of You Know By Hooker

by crook. You know worked out a kind of performative self that that functioned well well enough. You know to to teach what teach pretty well. I mean I won’t say I’m I’m I’m excellent teacher. I’m I’m decent.

Im Pretty Good By Now, But

you know it has taken a while and is this something that you had planned to continue pursuing Did did you see yourself apart from let’s say this incident did you see yourself in the teaching profession yeah I yeah I could I could um I was thinking I would I would want to be. a teacher for the duration you know and and I I didn’t really ever consider leaving teaching um until until probably this year. What did you like about teaching I like the energy yeah, I, I like the energy of the students and I like to to um. You know communicate with them about you know what I find true and beautiful about mathematics mathematics is was for me personally when I when I got back into it and teaching. I found that it was a sort of island in the storm.

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The Storm Of The Culture Wars And

the sort of general the epistemological um chaos which you know which I find you know in in language and discourse right because you had a you have a b a b a in French literature and I I can’t. I don’t presume that your m and ed psych was math. focused but I could be wrong was it No it was not it wasn’t okay, so it’s interesting that you that you ended up teaching math and also it’s interesting that you founded an island in a storm, and I suppose that the way that you talk about it makes it sound like that was a relief yeah from what exactly um well it’s it’s a bit of a long story at Cornell I studied the humanities. I had a history major English, major and French lit major as an undergrad and me and my my merry band of friends and cohort of of you know compatriots. We were really into post-modernism.

We Really Loved The The Paradoxes

of language. We studied Daridan, Foucault and and Leotard and Beaudrillard, and there was a certain like enthusiasm even a lust for paradox that we had and I I personally had. texts and sort of finding out how words can mean their opposite? How meanings can be seen to be taken different ways, and I guess I would say that my I guess I had a kind of a breakdown from that and that I didn’t really once I realized I didn’t want to become a professor or go into um You know the academic world because I found that even then it was I was being pushed to say things I didn’t believe I you know I kind of drifted for a decade. I would I would say trying to find something that was meaningful so back. When you were an undergraduate you found the postmodernists emotionally motivationally intellectually engaging and you talk about that as something that was also true of the people that you were associating with so I get the sense that there was some sense of.

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Intellectual Adventure And What Was It

What what did post-modernism mean to you? And why do you think you were attracted to it? What was exciting about it well? It was a poetic sensibility. It was non–political. In fact, um you know the the true materialist Marxists that you know that were sort of in in our in our social milieu they would. They would sort of scoff at us and say that we were bourgeois Oh that’s what Marxists do yeah right so you know we were just playing with language and there really was no there there and actually what would what would deliver deliver us from our current predicament was some revolution in terms of material circumstances and so um But I was really you know I was really drawn to the creativity of reading a text in a in a way it was I looked.

A Way Like I Wasnt Talented Enough

to be a writer, but I could critique something in a creative way and sort of get my get my revenge in a sense like on the text right because that’s a hell of a way to that’s a hell of a way to put it. When did you figure out that that’s what you were doing . I think I kind of knew it at the time, but later on reflection. I felt when I tried to be a writer in my 30s and got nowhere and became very frustrated and despondent and depressed.

I Thought Back At That Time.

And I realized that a lot of criticism itself is a kind of the kind of criticism that we were doing is a kind of shaking your fist at the creative process and sort of gaining gaining power over over art by. By interpreting it in a way that that you found you know that that I found you know fit my world and so it it is you know what do you think the pleasure and I mean you’re you’re you’re making a case.


Paul Rossi, a high school math teacher and writer, joins us to discuss ideas of life . He discusses ideas that are both philosophically and sometimes spiritually meaningful and practical . Rossi: Fair is the foundation against intolerance and racism. We also need to be pro-human to insist on our common humanity to advocate for fairness and understanding to demand that we are each entitled to equality under law to bring about a world in which we are all judged by the content of our character and not by the color of our skin that’s where fair comes in moving forward together as one race the human race . Join us for the latest episode of the podcast on iReporter’s weekly webcast at 9 p.m. ET . Back to the page you came from.com or click here for a new episode of this week’s episode of The Daily Reviewer’s weekly Newsquiz and/or click here to check out our latest episode from this episode. Please share your feedback on our new episode ….. Click here to read more and watch the full video