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This Coming Here To Hillsdale College Is An Act

of maturity. Right right and maturity is a desirable thing. It’s better in all ways than being immature. It opens up more possibilities. It’s not subjugation to more constraint that’s right acceptance of a voluntary system of disciplined striving and the opening up of an immense vista of opportunity.

If I Was As Good As Psychology As

you are I’d trade jobs with hello everyone I have the great good fortune today well first of all to be sitting outside which is quite nice and also to be speaking to Dr Larry Arn, who is president of Hillsdale College. Hillsdale College is a liberal arts institution in Hillsdale, Michigan and it’s quite a remarkable place. I was asked to deliver a commencement address there earlier this year and went up for the day. I knew about Hillsdale a little bit, but hadn’t visited there. It’s a remarkable island of educational sanity In the midst of a sea of educational chaos and i’m going to be talking today to Dr Aaron, who’s been president of this August institution for a number of decades about well about Hillsdale College in general about its history about his tenure there and his activities and occupation and enterprise and about the state the dismal state.

Lets Say Of The Higher Education Enterprise

in general in the United States and in the west more broadly. So I hope you enjoy the conversation welcome Dr Orn thank you very much for coming to see me and also for the commencement invitation and for agreeing to do this podcast. I’m really looking forward to it well. You’re a tremendous host and a tremendous man a great pleasure for me to be. With you yeah, It’s been fun It’s been fun.

We Had Were Out In The

boat for the sunsets and we had some fireworks at night and it’s quiet and peaceful here and away from the fray let’s say so that’s been lovely and Dr Arn and I have been talking a lot about plans for educational revival in some sense in the future and so there’ll be lots of things coming down the pipelines on that front but to begin with I think we’ll start by talking about Hillsdale and about its singular vision and its founding and so why don’t we start tell tell me about how he’ll tell everybody about how Hillsdale got its beginning and let’s walk through the history of the institution history starts In 1844 it was on the frontier in Michigan that was far as the country went back then a bunch of. New England preachers who were classically educated. They they read Latin and Greek, which means that they knew the books that were written before Jesus, and they were very loyal to Jesus, and they brought the tradition of a liberal education with them out to the frontier and they founded a college and they met in the town hall. They just one particular one of them and a ransom done rode a horse into town and there were two hotels two hotels thriving metropolis and he said I would like to talk to the leading citizens who care about education and a bunch of them gathered and they use city hall. It wasn’t a government thing.

The College Had Never Had Any

money from the government, but city hall back then was conceived a place where the city could use it. The citizens could use it and they made a deal and they started the college. They the city pledged ten thousand dollars if the college would raise ten thousand dollars and that came from this ransom done and some other people They went. They were preachers and they went riding around the countryside all over Wisconsin and Illinois and Indiana and Michigan, and they’d give sermons and they’d ask for money and the money came two dollars and five dollars at a time. We still have the list and what did they want to do well.

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They Were Very Clear About That

the college has a very beautiful founding document. It’s the discovery of that that made me think I could find a calling in managing the college and it commits the college to four things. They are learning freedom, faith and character and those are all drawn out of. The great tradition of the liberal arts that goes back to medieval times, Indeed back to Plato’s Academy before that and so they you know you you need to be free in order to what does the liberal arts mean it means the study of the ultimate things. The things that are good to know just because they’re good to know and then you need to be able to you need to have your freedom to do that the college has always been interested in the constitution and you need to have a strong character.

You Need To Not Be Overcome

by vice, but pursue virtue and what else and you need to and God is a big figure so those are the points and then you know. This is in 1844 and 16 years later the world fell apart. The Civil War began in 1861 and it’s curious about. that because we didn’t have any military training at the college, but effectively all of the young men joined the Union army and they there were more than 40 of them at the battle of the Gettysburg in the Peach Orchard. On the second day helped to turn the tide all in all about 500 of our students went more than any place except Yale which is older and larger than we were then and the faculty had been very involved so why do you think these preachers that started hillsdale Christians were also interested in the benefits of a liberal arts education.

Why Didnt They Just Agitate Start A Seminary

that’s you know um great political rights Religion is not can’t can’t be simply open to philosophy, but the most open is the Christian religion. He he talks about the Spanish names Harry Harry Jaffa teachement he knows his. Teacher Leo Strauss, he talks about the fact that Moses my embodies He’s a Jew and all for a Muslim and Thomas Aquinas are rough contemporaries and Thomas Aquinas could write most openly about God about about the truth is known by reason in the in the Great Sumatheological The first query is whether anything apart from reason is necessary to know God and he says you know that that that book, a wonderful book is written in the form of the disputed question. So here’s the question then two or three opinions about it two or three answers and then his own opinion and his own opinion is yes. There are some things apart from reason you need but you can know a heck of a lot by reason right, so there’s this alignment and reason in that sense that’s the alignment in some sense between the Greek tradition.

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The Platonic Tradition And The Philosophical

tradition and the emergent Christian tradition. There is an overlap there that’s really quite remarkable that comes together with the joint conceptualization of the logos. So because that conception of Regen reason that you’re describing that’s the Greek notion of the logos and that was adjoined oddly to the Christian notion of the logos, which i think is a kind of historical mystery, but the fact that those things actually overlaid and overlapped is a remarkable synchronicity. We could say and so the Greeks believed that you could move towards the good and the sum of all goods as a consequence of logos. As a consequence of reason, and then the Christians insisted that that logos had been embodied in a particular figure and that there were divine attributes associated with that and so and so maybe that’s part of what’s underlying what what’s.

Underneath The Allowance On The Christian

side for the Greek philosophical tradition underneath the rubric in some sense of a modified Judaism. It’s not something you’d necessarily expect, but it’s definitely something that happened and I think there’s an important thing to lay out in that regard too because a lot of modern people are taught that there’s a real antithesis between the religious say the Catholic in particular and education in general and science in particular, but as I’ve looked into that more deeply I’ve become convinced that exactly the opposite is the case and that the university tradition certainly which grow to the monastic tradition just as clearly as can be, but also the scientific tradition are deeply embedded inside the religious substrate rather than operating in a manner that’s antithetical and I think the fact that the preachers preachers knew that even in 18 well even they. knew that in the mid-1800s and that drove them to decide that a liberal arts education studying people like Plato and Aristotle, for example, was actually commensurate with a broader let’s say ethical and Christian goal. It’s not obvious why that would be the case to pull in these pagans. It so first of all a prerequisite for entry to Hillsdale College in 1844 was you had to read both Greek and Latin and so they started prep school for people who couldn’t do that and you just you’d learn those and then you could come but the way they looked at the world and I you know I think it’s a wonderful way to look at the world.

Myself Is That This Account Of Logos Which

you bring up that’s the Greek word both for reason and for speech and that means that that whatever you can think you. Say and whatever you can say you can think and that means that this conversation is a kind of sharing that no other creature is capable of and it’s a transformative process as well, a redemptive and transformative process and that’s right and and and connected. Aristotle writes that were more gregarious. It comes from the Greek word for flock than horses or bees right and that means and so it’s this nature of man but then logos is not when we talk we can see you know how to get from a to B.

We Can Also Think About Whether To Go

from a to b and that brings in the divine because that would be in both Greek philosophy and in the Christian faith and the Jewish faith and I think the Islamic faith that would be the ultimate destination very God right that’s like a definition right. If you think about this as a mapping problem and that part of what we’re doing well dialoguing exchanging logos is to map out the terrain that includes the destination and the details of the journey. All of that and then the ultimate destination is a destination that would be guided by the highest good by definition right because your destination is a good you wouldn’t be going there. If you didn’t think it was better unless you’re aiming down and so the ultimate destination In some sense is the transcendent destination and so that’s like a definition of the divine path and in some sense a definition of the spirit that animates you while you’re walking down that path and then you say and i think there’s an instinctual element to this that’s associated with that gregariousness, so you know people are unbelievable mimics right we imitate each other.

On A Scale Thats Unparalleled Among Other Creatures

and we do that with language, but we can literally inhabit. We can almost literally inhabit each other’s bodies. Each other’s frames of reference and we do that by exchanging viewpoints essentially.


Dr Orn speaks to Dr Larry Arn, who is president of Hillsdale College in Michigan . Dr Arn and Dr Arn have been talking a lot about plans for educational revival in some sense in the future and so there’ll be lots of lots in the podcast . Dr Orn says coming to Hillsdale is an act of maturity. It opens up more possibilities. It’s not subjugation to more constraint that’s right acceptance of a voluntary system of disciplined striving and the opening up of an immense vista of opportunity. I hope you enjoy the conversation welcome Dr Orn thank you very much for coming to see me and also for the commencement invitation and for agreeing to do this podcast.& I’m really looking forward to it well. Dr Arn is a tremendous host and a tremendous man a great pleasure for me to be.& With you yeah, It’s been fun. I’d trade jobs as you are I’d rather than be as good as psychology as you’re a great friend. I wish you…. Click here to read more and watch the full video