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very very special guest in Dr. Steve Turley Here’s someone I consider an utmost expert in the rise of right-wing traditional populist nationalist movements throughout the world. He’s an internationally recognized scholar, a speaker, a classical guitarist host, a very popular UK channel and is the author of over 20 books, including his new books. The new book The Triumph of Tradition, which we will be speaking about tonight So thank you for joining us Dr. Turley.

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It Is Honor To Have You

thanks TOm. It’s great to be here with you okay so in your book just to kind of sum up basically what what the book is about you basically talk about the classical education versus modern education and how this essentially gave rise to the modern age and post-modernism so to kind of define those terms could you give us. A rough or a definition of what the classical education versus modern education is yeah basically if you were to contrast the two forms of Education the way when I open up the book I basically frame the book with UK Lewis you know the British Cambridge scholar who wrote Lyon which in the wardrobe a lot of people know that the Narnia Chronicles, but he he he wrote some very wrote some very impressive philosophical works and one of them was called the Abolition of man, which is his understanding of Education in relation to civilization, which was interesting. One of the key observations that UK Lewis makes is that education really is always enculturation. Education always involves initiating students into some kind of culture into a particular way of being human with its dispositions, its inclination, its language, its customs, whatever it is and so in trying to understand the difference between what he would call classical education to.

Like Modern Education.

He won’t understand the difference between the classical world and the modern world. Classical culture and modern culture, and he had a really interesting way of kind of putting it at something that’s really transformed the way. I think about the modern age. He said for for classical man.

The Fund Of The Fundamental Goal Of Life

was to conform one soul to the divine meaning and purpose all around him that the technical term is known as cosmic piety that’s what scholars will call it. It’s this notion that the world’s filled with divine meaning and purpose and we’re all born. into a world where we are obligated to conform our lives to that divine meaning and purpose, and so the purpose of Education was to form sort of that a mediator, a bridge between the individual person that divine meaning and purpose, those eternal truths inherent in the world and so classical education was in effect of a pedagogy that enculturated students and the true the good and the beautiful through the acquisition of wisdom and virtue wisdom was understanding the divine meaning and purpose. All around you and virtue was aligning your loves to that divine meaning and purpose, so that you love which you ought to love desire what’s truly desirable and hence experience human flourishing. What Louis noticed was that in the modern age it presented a completely different world.

The Modern Age Was Not Interested In

conforming the soul to the divine meaning and purpose all. around us Because in the modern age, we don’t believe there’s any divine meaning and purpose All right. The world is just biological, chemical and physical causal laws because it’s understood solely scientifically, there is no divine meaning. There is no purpose behind it. All the world is inherently meaningless, so if that’s the case then, what is the ultimate goal.

The Ultimate Goal Is Not To

conform my soul to the divine meaning and purpose. The ultimate goal now is to conform meaningless purposeless nature to my own desires and my own ambitions and the way I do that is largely through the use of those institutions that operate by the mechanisms of power manipulation. Namely science, technology and the state and so education In that world looks very very different education that world cares nothing about the truth in the beautiful cares nothing about wisdom and virtue now. The Carrot cares primarily about information acquisition, the acquisition of facts and then whatever meaning you want to give to those facts that’s your own personal private perogative z–so what he notices that in such a world, the very things that used to define our humanity wisdom, virtue, truth, goodness and beauty have all been cut off and now we’re basically almost like machines like computers where we’re only about information acquisition no longer wisdom and virtue, so that’s kind of how I Oh I set up the book in the contrast between these two ages yeah and it’s it’s fascinating because you hear so many of like the modern new intellectuals like Jordan Peterson and Molyneux and some of these people in they they always talk about post-modernism in the modern age. But your book was the first one and and it baffles me that people have ever.

That That Look At The Education

and how education transitioned that phase that it was the the absence of that divine wisdom divine authority and then did this this void an emptiness that then led into the modern age, which which had its advantages to a certain extent right. I mean we gained some things out of it. But I lost a lot in the UK in the modern age and I feel like in reading your book and and what I know about post-modernism and things is is Lewis was was almost prophetic because your book inspired me to actually go read the abolition of man Oh yeah yeah the predictions that he makes about the technocracy and how such a small group of elite technocrats would then control the not only the information but control the population and we’re seeing that in the recent censorship we’ve been talking. on our channels and it’s very fascinating how that transpired and and it was it was It was great but um one of the great great quotes in your book that I love that you said was for Lewis British. Asian was creating a generation of young people cut off from the objective values of the true the good and the beautiful, thereby depriving them of the very transcendent means by which their humanity flourished, and I thought that was this put together so well because it kind of shows the state our societies in I mean that people don’t have and and I didn’t notice this because I my elementary school I did go to a faith-based school so where they did teach that there is an objective truth and objective value that you know we are to Manisa not become but but like you said mold our.

Too And Then Looking Back He Of

course not going to public school as a as a young person. You know I was in that was really ingrained in me, but then I’m looking at my middle on high school and it’s like wow If nobody got that like how lost would you be how lost would you be and it’s a lost age and it’s very very true and then you know we saw like you stated that it were how we moved in the book. You state how we move from modernism to post-modernism and it almost let me know what your thoughts on this but it almost seems like people felt there was an absence of something right like that science wasn’t enough that there there had to be more. So it almost seems what they did was was then become cultural relativist where it’s everything is. same and there is no objective truth, and there’s another quote that you that that um that in there and that you say in the book where you say postmodernists except and this is this is a paraphrase but first modernist except the modernist claim that humanity is nothing but nature, but reject any type of universal truth.

You Got It You Got It Yeah

that’s kind of the contradiction inherent in post-modernity why it doesn’t have a future Yeah, what modernism basically did in enshrining science as the sole way of understand. We always loved I mean the Greeks loved science. The medievalists love science but science was a servant to something larger. They would define knowledge and in two ways key entia would into ski entia. The problem there is that science in shrine X’ doubt as the primary mechanist arting point of knowledge so if you.

Think Of Descartes Right Who Came

up with the cogito ergo zoom. I think therefore I am he started with the premise or the question how do I even know I exist? How do I know I’m talking to you, how do I know in in our modern day, how do I know I’m not in some kind of matrix. You know and some evil Genius is playing a trick on me. He started with doubt and then through the process of for him rational, including for the 18th century empiricists. Through through scientific investigation, the doubt began to somehow magically dispel away through the application of scientific rationalism.

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Don’t have to be a genius to figure that figure out that if doubt is your primary means of not your primary orientation towards the world. Eventually people are going to start doubting your modernist worldview right you just don’t. have to be G if modernity and shrined doubt and skepticism as our primary orientation towards the world that is somehow magically dispelled by the scientific method. It’s only a matter of time before people become doubtful and skeptical of that doubtful and skeptical of that method and there’s post-modernism and its unleashing of multiculturalism and this idea that and you said it perfectly they still believe the world is without any divine meaning or purpose that’s actually objectively discernable and then it’s enshrined in culture.

They Believe The World Is Is Biology, Chemistry

and fit then it’s culture whatever it is right and that’s where you get modernism. The problem as Louis recognized, however, is that apart from any sense of obligation collective social cultural obligation to conform our lives to be good because it’s good to be good apart from that everything is power everything is about things. good or bad? Because somebody had the power to impose that on us remember all things are still meaningless and purposeless, and so eventually they end up turning to what we would call cultural Marxism, which is this notion that there’s these radical power discrepancies where you have a dominant culture. Because postmodernists always think in terms of culture, you have a dominant culture and then you have these marginal minority cultures and they’re disenfranchised and and and dispossessed and alike, and that a just society is now one that is going to emancipate those disenfranchised cultures.

Those Minority Cultures By Basically Pushing Out The

majority culture. Now you could say whatever you want you can beat up on that majority culture. All you want white Christian male. You know you go down the list heterosexual on the light anything that is minority is off-limits you’re not allowed to make.

Of It Because That Would Be Exempt The

kind of bigotry that you have been imposing upon it All these centuries and they’re allowed to complain all they want about you because that’s exemptive of their struggle. So post-modernism just gives us in the end this kind of tribalism. This really radical ident politics and so modernity has basically broken up in this one sense into just these tribalistic loyalties and that’s what we’re seeing.

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Dr. Steve Turley is an expert in the rise of right-wing traditional populist nationalist movements throughout the world . He’s an internationally recognized scholar, a speaker, a classical guitarist host, a popular UK channel and is the author of over 20 books, including his new book The Triumph of Tradition, which we will be speaking about tonight . Dr. Turley: “It is honor to have you thanks TOm.& Turley. It’s great to be here with you okay so in your book just to kind of sum up basically what what what the book is about you basically talk about the classical education versus modern education and how this essentially gave rise to the modern age and post-modernism” He won’t understand the difference between what he would call classical education to.& Like modern education, and he had a really interesting way of understanding the classical culture and modern culture, he says. It is a very interesting way to understand what modern education is and what modern culture is ….. Click here to read more and watch the full video