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by none other than Cory Allen. He is an author meditation teacher and host of the Astral Hustle podcast. He’s also the creator of My favorite guided meditation course Release into now and has completed literally thousands and thousands of hours of mindfulness practice during his life. My intention was to get someone who is of the highest caliber as a meditation expert that I could find and get them to explain the absolute basics on the podcast. The thinking behind that was kind of like if you wanted to learn how to throw a jab and he got taught by Floyd Mayweather.

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of knowledge is significantly wider than this, but if he can distill down all of that knowledge into the fundamentals. I am going to get the best start within this discipline that I. can hopefully going to break down some of the barriers and preconceptions that you may have about meditation if you’ve never done it before and if you have done it before Cory is going to be able to explain how a deepen your practice and focusing on the fundamentals irrelevant of how many hours you’ve put in is never a bad thing to do so here we go Gloria Cory Allen welcome to modern wisdom thank you thanks for having me man very good to hear from you. It’s really strange to hear your voice for once without there being binaural beats in the background well. I could put some on if you’d like well be funny.

Yeah The The Meditation Course Release

into now that you did through Oprah Marcus has been I think I can pretty much recite it now verbatim I could I could probably do it. back and give my best glory Allen impression and actually actually give it back to you that’s fun is that I would probably barely recognize that I have a vague memories of what’s in it at this point, but you know how that goes you here for sure for sure so a lot of listeners have heard me dance around the topic of mindfulness practice and and meditation over the last few months and I think what I really wanted to do was get someone like yourself who has a wealth of experience with practice and understands it from the ground floor up and really just start to unpackage it. I think meditation for a lot of people is like kinda like maybe a stretching routine. It’s something that they know that they probably should be doing, but that it sounds like there’s maybe quite a lot of barriers to. Entry it may be a little bit complicated.

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the practice on their own and for a common person who hasn’t ever been exposed to mindfulness or meditation before I do think that it can be um. It can be a daunting prospect to go into something which is she’s from the outside looking in very complex. I don’t know whether in your circles now, whether you know whether you regularly interact with anyone who doesn’t do mindfulness practice anymore, but certainly on my side. There is there’s a lot of people who I think would really benefit from it. So hopefully today.

We Can Um We Can Explain And We

can unpack just what mindfulness practice is and and how everybody can benefit from it. Sure yeah and firstly, I mean most people I know I would say do not have a meditation. Practice is that true well, yeah, yeah just because um you know, I don’t know maybe 10 to 15% max of the people. I know do okay and let me just identify the problem from the outset. You know there’s a lot of confusion and people have resistance towards getting into meditation because as you said it might seem intimidating or confusing or something unreachable or unattainable.

The Reason For That In My Opinion Is

and I wrote about this a bit in my book was that meditation is an experience it’s an experiential thing. It’s a you know internal thing of the mind right it’s not something you can describe and so. The example I use in my book is that if you were to from a from like as if you were looking out of a camera described the narrative of someone standing up in the room going. Into the kitchen getting a cup of coffee? One could write that description and then another person could read that description and get the general notion that there’s a person in a room and they’re getting up and they’re going into their kitchen. Whatever that may look like and they’re getting a coffee.

Now Thats An Easy Picture To Paint To

one’s mind and your brain will fill in all the gaps and pieces of the story that you need is connective tissue to create that narrative in your imagination. But the problem with meditation is is that so now take this same situation and now write out what the experience of a person standing up in their room and going into their kitchen and making a cup of coffee is so clearly that you as the reader can know the first-person point of view feeling with all the sensory. Putting all the contents that enter the consciousness of someone who’s doing that to express that experience to another person is so impossible that it is really the ultimate can it be done. You should be an infinite amount of information right it would be an overwhelming read Yeah exactly so take a take a hundred years of people who aren’t great writers even all trying to get at in writing about the thing the experience Yeah, including all of the fat and all the metaphysical nonsense and you know you know all the stuff that they can go along with that everyone’s trying to describe an intangible experience and so there are just mountains and mountains of descriptions about in this intangible experience Yeah, which have no meaning inherently because they are relative only to the person that wrote them because they’re writing about their experience. So whenever an individual who is perhaps only hearing about the idea or an or only become interested in meditation goes to read a book about it or goes to look for some type of instruction.

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some you know Bozo trying to describe an experience it is inherently very confusing and it’s off-putting You know it would be off-putting to me as well. So I think that the idea near the best that’s that’s it the problem. I think the solution you know to break that barrier of entry is to not write or necessarily talk as much about the experience, but to talk about methods that can lead people to have that experience themselves the path not the destination right sure yeah yeah, I think I think it’s very prohibitive because as you say everyone’s experience especially of mindfulness, which is inherently so unique and individual to the person their brain. The particular brain set up where they go to. When the thoughts begin to quieten.

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I think I’m right in saying there’s more connections in one. of human brain matter than there are stars in the galaxy and when you’re trying to describe an experience manifesting from something as complex as that it’s um Yeah you’re right It leads to a lot of information, a lot of disinformation as well and neither of that’s really helpful in getting people to buy into the process so to speak yeah and you hit it right there I mean what is helpful that’s what I always look at man is like whether I am talking about something more ordinary or I’m talking about something more experimental or theoretical like I I don’t really talk about unless it’s useful because why just add fat to the conversation Yeah In general, it’s in life really but especially within things that are that are intangible and transient. Yeah I couldn’t agree more would you say that there’s a shift at the moment. towards meditation and mindfulness becoming a little bit more sort of newsworthy a little bit more prevalent in day-to day discourse.

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I suppose it certainly seems like it. I mean particularly over the last five years. I think there’s been a real awareness and over the last I think two or three years I started seeing meditation and mindfulness on the cover of magazines at the checkout at the grocery store. You know and now I think there have been people who have a lot of visibility who are promoting in what-have-you and I do think it’s becoming a much more mainstream type of idea in practice because it works yeah and I think people are figuring it out and also I think there is a you know an enough of the badly translated Eastern Wisdom from the 60s and 70s in America.

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kind of fall away and age and die whether it be a generational thing or just that people finally shook it off and there’s a real nice reasonable secular approach to mindfulness and meditation because it doesn’t need any religious context. You don’t need the theology or the ideology behind it right yeah And also I mean that also presupposes that there was any to begin with yeah and a lot of these schools. Some schools of Eastern thought contain meditation as a practice in those philosophies contain spirituality, but if you look at some you know aspect there. There are certainly unquestionably a lot of other schools which have zero you know quote unquote spiritual aspect to them at all, and I think one doesn’t you know need or really shouldn’t seek I think what a person would think of when they hear. The word spirituality through meditation because really you’re just seeking your own mind yeah and unless you are looking to your own mind as your spiritual master, Which I mean I actually have no problem with that but clear about what’s happening so anyway.

The Point Is Is That Having

a secular you approach to and path to mindfulness and meditation. I think is has been it’s been laid out more and more clearly and that’s what people are responding to it. I think it makes it a lot more inclusive by doing it. In that way it permits a much wider you so we’re in an increasingly secular society we need to if mindfulness practice is going to be widely adopted. There there needs to be some principles which everyone can follow and it can’t be.

These Are Principles If Youre From The West

these are principles if you. from a particular religious background or a particular strata of society that that’s not very helpful is it and I think you’re right exporting for a secular society is a much more inclusive way of getting your angels started in interestingly. I’m not so sure that we’re in an increasingly secular society. I think that you know the practice of mindfulness and meditation has become more secular within its own yeah within itself.

Do You Find Or Do You

think that from what you observed that societies in general are becoming more secular. I definitely say so in the UK I think I think so I can’t speak for anywhere else that’s the bulk of my experience Yeah. I think a lot of people are becoming very disenchanted with what would have been the old guard mainstay of what communities are built around a lot of there was a really.

Summary

Cory Allen is an author meditation teacher and host of the Astral Hustle podcast . He’s also the creator of My favorite guided meditation course Release into now . He has completed literally thousands and thousands of hours of mindfulness practice during his life . Cory Allen will be able to explain how a deepen your practice and focusing on the fundamentals irrelevant of how many hours you’ve put in is never a bad thing to do so here we go Gloria Cory Allen welcome to modern wisdom thank you thanks for having me man very good to hear from you. I think I can pretty much recite it now verbatim I could I could probably do it back to you that’s fun is that I would probably barely recognize that I have a vague memories of what’s in it at this point, but you know how that goes you here for sure for sure . I could put some on if you’d like well be funny, but it’s really strange to hear your voice for once without there being binaural beats in the background well…. Click here to read more and watch the full video