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it see if it helps you overcome the insuperable obstacle and see if it protects you from nihilism and despair and see if it orients you properly in relationship to yourself and other people and see what it does with your relationship with women and and and with children and with your parents and you can test the story that way and as far as I can tell the Bible. It is the compilation of stories that have been tested in that way. Yes exactly yes you you can test it within the text to know if if your interpretation of the text makes sense within the text and like you said that’s even a higher level. I would say if you could test it with reality and then it’s another story and and if you start if you know the Bible very well and you understand the stories you you might start to discover that the patterns that are described in the Bible Wells are also happening to you all the time whether you want it or not by the way hello everyone I’m extremely pleased today to be engaging in a discussion with Mr. Matthew Pajo.

Who Is The Brother Of Jonathan

Pajo, whose name may be familiar to many of you who are watching and listening and if it’s not it probably should be Matthew Paggio lives in Quebec, Canada has been engaged in discussions about the deepest religious matters with his aforementioned brother Jonathan Pajo, a fine artist Orthodox Christian thinker and frequent guest on my podcast for many decades on Matthew’s side. These discussions and the accompanying thoughts resulted in the production of his 2018 book The Language of Creation. Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis, a commentary which we are going to walk through today. That book manages the difficult combination of extreme depth and extreme clarity in some senses. It reads like a programming Manual of Mythic narrative laying out the foundation of the language of creation employed by the authors of the Biblical story that For Better or Worse undergirds the entire culture of the West and increasingly the rest of the world.

I Hosted Matthew Once Previously On My

podcast. Although as a consequence of my recent illnesses. I don’t remember that at all but I am extremely pleased to welcome him back again. Today. I read his book in depth in the last weeks and was struck by its utility on many fronts and the remarkable manner in which.

Matthew Manages To Render What Are

often otherwise impossibly complex and mysterious symbolic representations both lucid and clear in a manner that depends on a tremendous knowledge of the interrelationship between all the different aspects of the Biblical text and the interpenetration of all of its verses, and so I thought it would be extremely useful for me and hopefully for everyone who’s listening and perhaps even for Matthew to walk through his book in some detail and then to talk about what his next set of Ambitions might be and so welcome. Matthew I’m very much looking forward to talking all of this through with you yes thanks for having me thanks you for that great introduction Oh my pleasure, my pleasure. It was really it was really something to read your book um it’s not like any other book on religious thinking that I’ve encountered I’m very familiar. With work by Merchant, Eliada say and and Carl Jung and they’re much more tilted towards the imagistic and technically religious side and become symbolic and narrative in some way that’s akin to say Niches, Thus fake Zarathustra. They’re more on the poetic side of things, but your work is oddly positioned in the best Sense on the rational and a propositional side even though simultaneously, it manages to lay out the symbolic grammar of the entire Biblical narrative and really the entire narrative, and so maybe you can start by introducing some of that your book has six parts.

Ill Just Go Through Them And Well Start

with part one. Part one is salvaging creation from the scientific worldview. Part two is Heaven and Earth in Biblical Cosmology. Part three is Heaven and Earth on the human scale. Part four time and space in Biblical cosmology.

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and space on the human scale and then part six transcending the scientific worldview and in part one. You juxtapose the scientific worldview with the Biblical worldview and make a strong case well. I would say for the utility of both, but you make a strong case for the utility of the latter. The Biblical narrative and then attempt to outline what it’s attempting to accomplish and so maybe you could give us a bit of an intro to that Yeah so basically what I was attempting to do.

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In The First Part Of The Book Is

move away from a materialistic world view towards an ancient world view where meaning is at the center of everything. So basically, Logos is the driving force of everything, whereas in a materialistic perspective. It’s about like I like I explained in my book. It’s just about understanding how things work basically. How things function wait and the other perspective is pretty much the opposite of that and we’ve completely lost.

I Think The Other Perspective In Many Ways,

so it was relegated to the artistic domain that’s basically what happened. So it still is out there, but for people who are more rationally minded. It’s not satisfactory to me. It wasn’t at least I enjoy a good painting but my mind is is not satisfied with that I need some something more precise and concrete and also usable. You know your work is predicated on the idea that there is that the act of cognition and perception is a consequence and correct me.

If Im Wrong Of Something Approximating Simultaneous

top down and bottom-up processing and so the top-down processing is something like the imposition of a structure of order on the multiplicity of the world, and that order is implicate. intrinsic to being itself and it manifests itself to us psychologically and existentially and phenomenologically. Let’s say in the sense of meaning that imbues our perceptions and actions. If we’re acting in proper accordance with the hierarchy and so for you there’s a there’s a pyramid of perception and action. The top of the pyramid is associated with heaven symbolically and and and cognitively and the bottom of the pyramid With the multiplicity of Earth and the Heavenly domain is the Pinnacle but also a spirit that saturates the entire hierarchy and it’s a spirit of unity and Order and um and the order that is good and it’s also reflective of the implicate order and and so that would be.

The Logos Of The World Is Does

that seem approximately correct yes exactly the idea is kind of like in mathematics, you have some first principles and then everything. comes from the meaning that’s implicit in the first principles so I mean you have some axioms that seem like they don’t contain a lot of information, but when you unpack them you end up explaining a lot of phenomenon and part of it. Also is it becomes your lens to view reality. So it’s it’s always incomplete in a sense, but it provides reason for things order for things purpose. So it’s unlike science which claims to just be about discovering the laws of nature.

It Also Has A Purpose.

It imposes a purpose on reality. It doesn’t just claim to explain phenomenon. There’s a difference well and the thing that I think is so relevant in all of that. The prime issue of relevance is the issue of what.

John Vervacci, The Cognitive Scientist Has

been calling relevance realization. We have the problem of what to focus our. attention on and that’s actually an unbelievably pervasive problem and a deep problem because there’s an infinite multiplicity of phenomena that we could attend to and combinations of phenomena that we could attend to in such massive numbers that it’s very difficult to understand how we don’t become overwhelmed and the way we don’t become overwhelmed Is that we impose something like a point on things and a point is the point of our perceptions and the point of our actions and the point in the ultimate sense is also the ultimate thing towards which we’re striving and that ultimate thing towards which we’re striving is as far as I can tell. Elucidated in no small part in the Biblical cosmology, because it’s an attempt to lay out the characteristics of the spirit that would Orient us towards the highest good as we go about our job of perceiving the.

Complex World And Acting In It And So

I mean part of the Revolutionary element of your thinking is that even our confrontation with the material world per se and our ability to derive the facts upon which a materialist worldview are. Is hypothetically based is dependent on an ethic of perceptual prioritization and action that’s described in the Biblical cosmology and in and Mythic narratives in general and so it’s it’s it’s a priori. It’s it It exists prior to the act of perception that even enables us to make contact with the material world. Yes yes exactly we we have some spiritual principles that we’re often not aware of and then the reason we’re not aware of them is because they’re extremely simple, So sometimes we can’t see things because they’re too complex and they appear to us as Darkness or clouds, but when things are too simple.

We Also Dont See Them For A Different

reason It’s like they’re transparent We don’t even see their existence basically those seem to me to be the axioms upon which our perceptions are founded and they’re implicit right so they’re part of the structure through which we actually view the world I’m going to read something from your book okay and maybe then you could comment on it the words Heaven and Earth as quoted in the verse above, which was in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth can no longer refer to what we now call Heaven and Earth from our scientific viewpoint the third planet from the Sun and its atmosphere instead. The archaic concept of Earth refers to the lower material half of the entire universe and the archaic concept of Heaven refers to the upper spiritual half. In general, a complete redefinition of cosmic categories like Heaven Earth, time and space will be needed. The implications of these Concepts will then trickle down to every level of Human Experience to redefine all things in the context of the Bible so so I think of your work as a as a programmer’s guide to phenomenology.

In Some Sense Is That The World Of

experience, which is the reality that we know and the only reality. We know has a material half and it has a psychological half that’s conceptual and there has to be a union between the conceptual half the half that exists in abstraction and the half that exists concretely and it isn’t obvious that the abstract half is any less real or perhaps any more real than the material half because the abstractions that constitute the spiritual half are abstracted in part from the patterns that are implicant in the material half and the material half can’t be encountered or made sense of or interacted with or perhaps even brought into being without the imposition of the upper spiritual half and so. The description of the cosmos in Genesis is a Taoist-like description that that assumes Order and Chaos in some fundamental.


Matthew Paggio is the brother of Jonathan Pajo, a fine artist Orthodox Christian thinker and frequent guest on my podcast for many decades on Matthew’s side . He has been engaged in discussions about the deepest religious matters with his aforementioned brother Jonathan . The Language of Creation is the foundation of the language of creation employed by the authors of the Biblical story that For Better or Worse undergirds the entire culture of culture . The book manages the difficult combination of extreme depth and extreme clarity in some senses. It reads like a programming Manual of Mythic narrative laying out the foundation . The language of Creation undergives the culture of the Bible, for better or worse, is a programming manual of mythic narrative . We are going to walk through the book with a commentary which we are going through today. We are happy to hear from Mr. Pagio’s version of this commentary. The language that we are hearing from Matthew Pagnio’s version of his version of the book…. Click here to read more and watch the full video