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Derren Brown Thanks For Coming On Under The Skin.

I’ve wanted to talk to you in this format for a long while this is such a treat. This is such a treat thank you very very much for asking me. It’s lovely to have you the thing. I’m most interested in when I think of umbrella in a conversation with with you is have any of your experiences from your skeptical perspective led you to query your own certainty because you’ve famously made a journey from a quite unorthodox and religious upbringing to being an outspoken atheist.

But Now That Youve Worked Continually In The

area of I would say in a manipulation of consciousness and the various hypnotic techniques and the model shows that you’ve done what things have you encountered that have made you question your certainty today last time I saw you just before I answer that. question you’ll decide out this guy exactly no you you came round to my house and my learned in there thank you and having you there and I was my partner at the time was there and his mother, who was at the time terminally ill no longer with us sadly but she you came in and she was sat down and clearly unwell and you were so amazing you you um she. I think she must have said I’m not well and you you kind of you pretty much sat like knelt down next now and you were so focused and so um present with her and I’ve been what you said because you had you were having a private conversation with, but it was sort of the opposite of what any of us would do, which is probably naturally feel a little awkward or self–conscious in that situation. was amazing always stay with me or a very a really lovely man never got to say to you that was that was it go you could have never sent me a text. I said I’ve texted you many times haven’t replied I miss this terrific price for a Masonic moment.

You Know Im Glad You Told

me that story because the fact I don’t remember stuff like that directly I do recall the occasion now it suggests to me that I was not as narcissistic as I imagined myself to be otherwise I fail to recall those kind of day exactly like I’m, but I tell you, but I do remember there that configuration of people and that event what when you say that to me it makes me feel like I I often feel more comfortable when when people talk to me on the level of this is. Who I am yeah? I struggle more when you’re on there Coz of that that’s of the gentle negotiation of you know we’re Apes and we could bleep and kill each other at any moment. So let’s just gently talk about the weather and will see visible so true because I like I always think of myself as one of those people that’s you know hopeless at parties and nothing Oh I’m just I’m just shy and so I’m but actually I think I think probably most people like me like that you it’s not that you don’t want to talk to people. You do want to talk to people. You want to have like a proper conversation and what gets in the way of that or all the millions of reasons why that’s sort of not always appropriate.

I Was At A Party The Other Day

and I met. a guy called Liam Allen, who’s been in the paper recently because he had a lot of false rape accusations made against him and he’s now start he’s only 23 or something and he started a campaign against that you know sort of think about that because the police Don’t really badly be the case and and there was an amazing conversation to have it a having a party and lots it were in deep well it just yes it don’t do that Joe it’s well it was just like it’s just what you want as a proper I mean it was you know obviously horrendous, unfortunate sort of conversation, But it was a really interesting conversation. See this guy taking something horrible and turn it to something sort of great and important. So Yeah it’s yeah proper conversations whether or not you’re questioning on the back burner the converse. The question being has any of Daren‘s investigations into the world of sort of woowoo mysticism led to moments of curiosity about the unknown and the unknowable.

We Believe That Hovering Lurking As

a specter in the space while continuing to examine the idea of like whether it is a person who in that instance, in the case of your his mom sort of spoke about from a position of fear about her immortality in her sadness, or person who’s going through crisis there her dreadful crisis of false accusation like in that moment. I think I recently had a conversation with a woman on the phone. I’ve never met her. Her brother asked me to talk to her and she had lost her son through a party drug type terrible misdemeanor and like and when she was telling me. This I thought in the moment it went from my.

Head Im Not Qualified To Deal With This

so I have to find in myself the you know the human capacity capacities of compassion and warmth was knowing really you know there’s certain things in life that there is no combination of words that are gonna sort of push someone into a new state of mind, but often what’s being asked of you. I understand is a kind of presence a kind of witness being there for someone yeah They’re like I’ve almost had the opposite there to you of coming from a position of if not atheism nihilism and like kind of mass it lots of individualism to a position of like I believe in God and like we know we can have a long conversation and hopefully we will about like us of like that this of the degree of Orthodoxy and how where I draw that idea. from and how I personally interact with it but but in an incidence like that that’s almost kind of what I’m interfacing with them. Like my individual personal consciousness can’t deal with this please give me access to what I need to be and need to say to. So I can hold this woman in this moment and say the right thing and for me.

Its A Kind Of A Yielding

and a kind of surrender and letting go of the limitations and moans of the ego so long can be present so that I don’t say something mad there’s enough examples in my own life of actually saying something mad but listen less lately the more and more often sort of surrendering. But though important is just being present, isn’t it. I do have this sort of thing right if we go go back to the party situation or most social situations that you you see the version of somebody that they show you you see this lovely polished probably the best version of themselves. They’re showing you in the same way. If you have a couple over for dinner, you tend to see that relationship work at its best, but then you know that you yourself have this not you what all of us.

We Have This You Know Big Ugly Clumsy

embarrassing thing called a private life that follows us around like a big lumbering giant and it’s our starting point it you know having to we forget they’ve got exactly the same thing. We’re seeing this lovely polished version of themselves we’re comparing it to what we know of ourselves, which is very different and that’s a difficult. Starting point I think ultimately which and of course, things like you know? Instagram make it so much worse because then you’re dealing with highly polished branded versions of people that comparing that with your sort of worthless private life and all that comes in as an embarrassment that comes with that. But ultimately, I think we just we just desperately want to know that the things that are wrong with us are shared by other people and that and for someone just to be present with this because it just sort of validates everything doesn’t it so it’s such a basic thing. I don’t know how you know if you are growing up in that generation now where you’re only seeing these horribly polished curated versions of other people’s lives.

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How You How You You Find Any

you know place to put your own complicated messy internal experience in relation to that in a sense. It can only come from one another and you know from our dealing with ourselves in conjunction with in collaboration with one another like on my own. My tendency is to become quite self-condemning isolated and fearful almost as if we well not almost as if we’re not designed to live solipsistic lives trapped in sort of new illogical circuits of self–doubt and and continual examination. We have to break that up with interaction. We do need to have external connection again trying to move to my initial question that you’re dancing around an area like.

That And You Know When I Think

of you know we live in you know post logical positivism, which is a phrase I learned about an hour ago. I’m very keen to use we’ll have a great something that you’re gonna use to manipulate me over the course of interview a great for rewards bowl of grapes on the table. If you can’t see the grapes if they want audio but vivid linguist such as we portray these great effortlessly as Rembrandt, but my point being that you know we have a tendency and you’re in a sense from a cultural perspective. You’ve touched upon it with a mentioning Instagram to live in a sort of a sensory and empirical realm of you know. These are the patterns that we can observe optically.

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These Are The Patterns.

I can smell and taste and hear, but we know that there are. patterns beyond the limitations of the sensory room for the magnification achieved through you know the practice of science but my understanding is that there are some patterns and forms of consciousness that may not exist within the remit of Cantera of ordinary sensory experience now when you get a version of that as you evidently did in a Christian upbringing. They didn’t chime with you and felt like presumably reductive and and I’m getting out odds with who you were as an individual most obviously sexuality. I’m guessing that may set you in a position of adversity.

Too Many Of The Ideas That Are Smuggled

along with mysticism. But I’m interested in how because it seems to me that you’re moving from a position of Entertainer to a position of sort of personal development and self–awareness and healing in in one sense, so I want to talk about what. is to the mystical and as you should continue to evolve Okay Yeah brief we’ll stop for a brief graves sound of water and grapes very professional we should definitely if your own podcast thank you thank you, I’m thinking about it. I’m sending us to talk about Bishop I’ll answer the question so I went side yes I was very much a Christian I the sexuality thing didn’t put me at odds against it.

Summary

Derren Brown thanks for coming on under the skin.& I’ve wanted to talk to you in this format for a long while this is such a treat. Derren . Brown famously made a journey from a quite unorthodox and religious upbringing to being an outspoken atheist.& But now that you’ve worked continually in the area of I would say in a manipulation of consciousness and the various hypnotic techniques and the model shows that . you’ve done what things have you encountered that have made you . question your certainty today last time I saw you just before I answer that.& question you’ll decide out this guy exactly no you you you will decide out . Derren. Brown says he’s glad you told me that story because the fact I don’t remember stuff like that directly. I do recall the occasion now it suggests to me that I was not as narcisiaciaciacated. It suggests to him that I do remember the incident now.& You know I do not remember the occasion…. Click here to read more and watch the full video