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So What What Do You Think Are The

fundamental issues that face Canadians at the moment? What you you say the country is in trouble in some ways and well. I think one is this national unity problem. I Don’t think particularly central Canada understands the depth of this Western alienation again yeah and if you if you ever had a dual separatist movement Quebec moving in that direction in the west moving at the same time, you’d tear the country apart. I I don’t think there’s an appreciation by the laurentian elites that that old model of Canada is not sufficient for the 21st century so that and Canadians can never take national unity for granted our country’s too big and too diverse to just hope it’s going to hang together so that that’s one issue. The second is the fiscal issue.

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These Astronomical Deficits And Debts And No.

Even recognition that this could be a problem hello everyone I’m pleased to be talking today With Mr. Preston Manning PCc AoE. He’s the founder of the Manning Foundation for Democratic Education and the Manning Center for Building Democracy, which st seek to strengthen the knowledge skills principles and ethical foundations of participants in Canada’s political processes. Born in 1942 Preston Manning is the second son of longtime Alberta Premier Ernest C Manning, who was also a prominent Christian layman and broadcaster.

Growing Up In A Household Which

was both political and evangelical. He became intimately familiar with the political and religious experience of Western Canada. He has written and spoken extensively on navigating the faith political interface. He served as member of Parliament from 93 to 2001 and founded two political parties the Reform Party of Canada and the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance, both of which became the official. Opposition in the Canadian Parliament and laid the foundation for the Conservative Party of Canada.

He Served As Leader Of The Opposition

from 97 to 2000 and was also his party’s Science and Technology critic. In 2007 he was made a Companion of the Order of Canada and in 2013 was appointed to the Privy Council. Mr. Manning graduated from the University of Alberta with a Ba in economics and provided consulting services to the energy industry for 20 years before entering the political arena. He has received honorary degrees from eight Canadian universities and is the author of three books.

The New Canada Think Big And Faith

Leadership and public Life. He’s currently working on a new book tentatively entitled Do Something 365 Ways to strengthen democracy and conservatism in Canada. Mr. Manning and his wife Sandra divide their time between Calgary, Alberta and Vancouver BC. They have five.

Grown Children And 12 Grandchildren Mr.

Manning it’s really good to see you again it’s been a long time It is yeah good to see you Jordan great to be with you thank you thank you we met originally I asked you to come and speak to a group that I had hosted at the University of toronto for a while group of intellectuals and I was really interested in your experiences founding a political party because that’s a very very difficult thing to do and to bring it to fruition and to make it successful. It became the second largest political party in Canada. and so you were kind enough to share that entire experience with this. I remember.

At That Point, There Was Enough Divisiveness In

Canada with regards to political issues that one of the attendees at that at that seminar was there’s about 30 of them wouldn’t attend and so that was you know not so good, but it was a very interesting understandable yes yes well it and like the party I was involved in it actually goes back to recognizing. There’s two parts of Canada that have third-party traditions that aren’t Don’t regularly go back and forth between the traditional Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. One is Quebec, which has a whole third party tradition. The Black Quebecois, the Party Quebecois, the Raleigh among accreditation goes back a long way and then Western Canada has a tradition of producing new political parties. The Old Progressive Party, the farmers parties, the Depression parties of the Canadian Commonwealth Federation and the Social Credit Party and.

Reform Which We Started Was Part Of Another

attempt to advance Western Canadian interest by the creation of a new political party. Probably the lesson out of reform. I get asked that a long time what what’s the biggest lesson? I I I don’t think it’s the particular accomplishments of reform in an ideological or policy sense. But it’s just the fact that and I’ve been a great critic of Canadian democracy. I think Canadian democracy could be improved, but notwithstanding all its flaws.

A Small Group Of Five People Who Met

in a boardroom in Calgary in 1987 and decided we don’t like either the current political options and we’re going to do something different. We’re able to take the tools that our democracy gives to everybody freedom of speech freedom of association freedom to try to persuade you to vote this way rather than that way and we’re. Able to create a new political party, We’ve kept broadening it out coalition building etc. Etc. Created that Canadian Alliance and then Stephen Harper and Peter Mckay was the leader of the old Progressive Conservative party in Canada took it one more step and actually got to a minority government and then a majority government.

The Fact That You Could Still Do

that under our democratic system and in the 20-21st century, I think is should be encouraging to people if you don’t like what’s happening you can change it and a small group of people can’t change it using the tools that democracy gives to everybody yeah. So there’s a couple of questions there. I mean it seems to me that maybe Western Canada and Quebec have generated additional political parties, some of them more to the left than the traditional parties and some of them more to. The right is because perhaps the West and Quebec have had the most uneasy relationship with Confederacy and so are prone now and then to to generate new political forms. So do you think that’s a reasonable analysis or is there something else going on well? I I think it is and you know.

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Canada Is A Huge Country Now The Second

largest country by land mass in the world, and it has distinctive regional differences and diversity not not just geographic but demographically in every other way and so it’s not surprising that that should be the case one of the things. I point out in my most recent book is actually out now. This do something for 365 ways to strengthen Canada. I point out to my Quebec friends and this can often be misunderstood that in the long run Quebec is going to have to find an. Ally somewhere else in in Canada than just relying on getting its influence with the federal government and I have a graph that shows the percentage of French speakers versus English speakers going down the percentage of Quebec population relation to total Canadian population going down Quebec proportion of the GDP in relation to the Canadian GDP going down and I say what that suggests and I say this to my Quebec friends you’re going to have to find an ally in somewhere else in the country not just in Ottawa to advance your interests and a place.

You Couldnt Find Them And This

always surprised them because they think the West is addy Quebec. I say you could find them in the West because what we want and you want is a more decentralized federation. You want a more decentralized federation for social cultural, linguistic reasons. The West wants. it for economic reasons, but the common ground is a more decentralized Federation now now whether that unholy alliance between Quebec and the West would ever occur.

I Dont Know When When We

got to Ottawa like we got to Ottawa 1993. in the 1993 election reform got 52 members from all from Western Canada, except one from Ontario and Quebec. The black Quebecois got 54 members just two members different another aside there we lost three seats in Edmonton by 320 votes. If if if we had got those three seats, A federalist party would have been the official opposition in the 1993 parliament instead of a separatist parliament and if the country had ever blown apart because the separatists won the referendum in Quebec I was going to go back to Edmond and say there’s 325 people here because they didn’t vote. They don’t think your vote doesn’t.

Make A Difference Yeah Well You

mean two points there you know one is that important decisions can be swayed by a very tiny number of people from time to time and and also and this is one of the things I thought was particularly fascinating about what you did is that the democratic processes are sufficiently permeable so that you can modify them substantially with with considerable work, but with a small number of people oh yes yes and and just to finish the Quebec west connection. When we got there we we put on a breakfast for the block we got a hundred new members over 100 new members in the parliament huge turnover, none of whom knew each other. So I got a hold of Lucian Bouchard, the leader of the the black Quebecois. I said we ought to get together. You know and we’ll have a breakfast We’ll put on a breakfast We’ll bring the pancakes from the west.

Youll Bring The Maple Syrup From Quebec

and We’ll have a get to go and we did I got up and gave a speech and said we’re the bunch from Western Canada. They’re discontented with how the Federation is working right now and we want to fix it. We want to change it. We want to reform it and Lucian got up and said we’re a bunch from Quebec. We’re not happy with confederation and we want to get out and that’s where we that’s where we ended up anyway that’s sort of a decide on the but the the other dimension of Western Canadian politics and this is very relevant to some of the subjects you’ve discussed is there is no region of North America that has had more experience.

With Populist Movements Populist Parties And Populist Governments

than Western Canada and there’s a lot of lessons to be learned from that the old Progressive Party, which was like the Progressives in the United States in some respects was basically a western-based bottom-up not top-down party. The farmers parties that governed in Alberta governed in Manitoba briefly governed in Ontario were bottom-up populist parties, the the both the depression parties. The Ccf. The Socialist Party was a bottom-up party. Social credit in Alberta was a bottom-up party and reform in many respects too was one of those populist parties, so the Western had a lot of experience, not not just with populist movements and not just populist parties.

Populist Governments That Actually Got Into Power And

I think there’s lessons to be learned from that with the populist movements of today and how you respond to them and how you. them so how would you define a populist movement and and do you think the fact that that was able to find expression in the West continually was an advantage or a disadvantage? And I suppose there’s two questions there Well. First of all I define as a bottom-up rather than a top-down political movement, but a lot of grassroots support and education.


Preston Manning is the founder of the Manning Foundation for Democratic Education and the Manning Center for Building Democracy . He served as a member of Parliament from 93 to 2001 and founded two political parties the Reform Party of Canada and the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance . He laid the foundation for the Conservative Party . Manning: “Canadians can never take national unity for granted our country’s too big and too diverse to just hope it’s going to hang together so that that’s one issue. The second is the fiscal issue. These astronomical deficits and debts and no. Even recognition that this could be a problem. No. even recognition of the problem is that this is a problem.” He says he’s the second son of longtime Alberta Premier Ernest C Manning, who was also a prominent Christian layman and broadcaster. He has written and spoken extensively on navigating the political and religious experience of Western Canada. He is the author of a book about navigating the faith political interface. For more information, visit http://www.manning.com/…. Click here to read more and watch the full video