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My Guest On Under The Skin Today Is

Dr. Robin Carhartt Harris, the head of psychedelic research Imperial College London and he’s not even 37 years of age. Yet he’s already been described as the whiz kid of psychedelic research and imagine how competitive that field is and the cooler a younger brother of Brian Cox, who we adore and hopefully have on he universe is the lovely thing isn’t it his research is as exciting as it is to boo. He investigates the brain effects and potential therapeutic uses of psychedelic drugs and as such is the first person in the UK to have legally administered doses of UK to human volunteers since the misuse of drug acts in 1971. Dr.

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Robin Thank You For Coming On

the show pleasure yeah Nice to be here thanks for inviting me. Oh you’re so kind to say can I call you. Doctor sure, although I’m not a medical doctor, I’m not going to think so I don’t think of any of anyone that’s not a medical doctor. I think should be stripped of their title Later wearing a white coat and putting your fingers up People’s bum I don’t consider you part of our system okay thanks Dr. Robin still of a sufficiently dilettante ish to find titles, alluring doctors, professors or all of that stuff.

Im Bang Into It And Tell Me Well

can you tell me what that means that you are the head of psychedelic research at the empirical audit what’s going on so um For the last few years I suppose about eight years now I’ve been doing human research with psychedelic drugs. I’ve got a number of brain imaging studies looking at how these drugs work in the brain. Most recently, I’ve transitioned into giving a. psychedelic for a particular psychiatric disorder to try and treat its depression, and we give psilocybin which is found in magic mushrooms and so now The team is transitioning more into looking at applications and how these drugs can be useful not just how they were presumably if you’re moving to the point of application. Some of the efficacy of these substances have been established robbing before we get into that I’d like to learn how as someone growing up you’re a British person.

I How How Did You Get

into psychedelics because it seems to be like a broad and interesting field like OH tell me about your academic background and how you became interested in yeah well let’s kind of to two aspects to the story and perhaps the the latter one which is easier to talk about happened around my early 20s when I was studying psychoanalysis. So Freud and Yogi Nguyen and I was absolutely fascinated by this topic, and I couldn’t get enough of it and I was you know any opportunity reading whatever I could, But I also felt a little dissatisfied with where psychoanalysis sat. In terms of mainstream psychology, it felt kind of cliquish. It felt that’s not scientific enough. It didn’t seem to have convinced people of the validity of its main ideas like the existence of the unconscious mind.

For Example, And I Was A

believer in some sense, but I didn’t want it to have to be that way. I didn’t want it to have to be a kind of leap of faith. I thought we could maybe demonstrate that certain principles of psychoanalysis are true and by this principle do you mean primarily the existence of an unconscious on an individual level yes, but also a collective level. So that would be call Jung’s work that there’s aspects of our psyches that are shared in a certain theme certain ways of being certain aspects of the human condition that are in us all and this is demonstrated what through motifs and archetype yeah Yeah, Why did you find that so interesting well. I think because it felt true because it resonated with me and I think you can see it in culture.

You Can See It In Religion And

and so I kind of wanted to demonstrate that you know that there was that there’s real meat here it’s not just you know fantasy or the product of our or Young’s and others. You know wild imaginations of these things that are kind of real, but maybe it’s podcast reason. I do it to educate myself and to educate others and to try to in some way translate. The gap that exists between academia and what you would call us both normal people or everybody else that doesn’t have access to the subs of privileged non-kosher of academia of which the word Norman Kosher is undoubtedly an example and like so when you talk about like Freud and Jung and psychoanalysis and some of its like key ideas like what is it was this distinction between Freud’s view of the unconscious and Jung’s view of the unconscious. For example, Yes of Roy put most of the emphasis on on sex I suppose and sexuality and also the unconscious.

The Freudian Unconscious.

If You want had much more to do with our own life, our relationships with important figures in our lives and particularly our parental figures, whereas young kind of transcended that level and talked about the unconscious mind with reference to culture and religion and mysticism and so it was a kind of if you want a sort of deeper aspect of our minds our unconscious minds. If you want that Jung was particularly interested in he also there was a bit of a spat between the two figures and Jung felt Freud put too much on sex and and the personal you know it’s not like a pretty funny marriage. You’re always on about sex for you don’t care about sex you know stop taking that bloody cocaine Don’t take you know psychedelic Freud and Jung viscom funny gas then I’m like so fried for everything was coming down to. Sex and your individualized life and like young for that there’s enough evidence to suggest through archetypes and recurring motifs and themes through religions culture to suggest that there’s some sort of interconnectivity.

Although In Reverse Like Freuds Work On Like

Totemism and taboo, but in there an indication there but if sort of certain taboos are recurring throughout cultures that that in itself is an indication of some sort of collectivized mind. Yeah, I think I think Freud touched on it and I think it’s a bit of a slightly you know oversold differentiation that I just made you know and and Freud was would refer to kind of collective aspects of the unconscious coin was more mechanistic, although young fathers as well. I think the difference is a kind of emphasized too much because of this personal spat between the two and because they kind of emphasized the. difference of a emphasize their differences because I suppose we take for granted the things that we share in common and so the differences start to become pertinent and Germane. So from this early interest in unconsciousness.

Some Are Another She You Start To Think

it was all right to sit around bearing drugs justify yourself. It wasn’t really quite that it was more the you know how can we test this stuff and and I was in a seminar one day and and there were the seminar leader and the people in the group. We’re talking about all the different ways that psychoanalysis had to access the unconscious mind and the best that it could come up with pretty much was dreaming you know and dreams of Britain and fascinating, but they’re quite unreliable and mine are yeah they are just now they are they cracked. I mean that. Won’t someone take the next absolute codswallop coming out of them okay yeah but like well so this is the tools of empirical tools for accessing the unconscious our dreams hypnosis.

These Are Like Sort Of Like

the recognizable tools and what a new thing that those tools are a bit lame Yeah basically Yeah and you’re not you know and has been proven really you’re not going to convince enough people with those tools because you know people have set of dreams that they’re just chaotic they’re noise they don’t mean anything I actually disagree with that but Yeah that’s a popular view. So there’s yeah a lot of Jung’s work on that side for its own everyday battle compensator be dreams like they do it like that that the unconscious mind is at least trying to narrative eyes your life always trying to communicate with you and you’ve. talked already about the idea of archetypes. It seems that when we’re like you know in some senses when we to the transcendent Oberer referring to a potent and all-encompassing being it could in fact be regarded that our own unconscious is the repository for great information great knowledge that and we have a kind of a peculiarly unceremonious tint relationship with his aspect ourselves well absolutely and this is where psychedelics come in because I stumbled across kind of stumbled across some literature on UK being used in psychotherapy in the 50s and 60s and I was just blown away to discover that the main rationale for using UK in psychotherapy was that it would lower ego defenses and then allow access to this. You know far vaster realm of our minds the unconscious mind and I just thought this is true and you takin psychedelics by that time.

Would Be Embarrassed About Talking About Not Embarrassed

Is just a sensitive one why in I think because of stigma stigma around eyes and also stigma of being scientist studying these and the mainstream scientific community by massages Oh Yeah well you doing drugs No never think you’re a hippie. You’re not a scientist Yeah and it’s interesting isn’t it but it’s in itself a taboo subject and it’s sort of its origins, what who are the early pioneers around psychedelics what Timothy Leary or like Aldous Huxley ran Bathroom Mac well. There are a few people looking at Mescaline early on in the early 20th century, but really a breakthrough happened when the Swiss chemist Albert Hoffman, kind of slightly serendipitously came across UK and synthesized UK while looking for drugs more to do with with with bludgeon and and you know the blood system he seemed precised it. sort of a light go lay so he’s working away on her some sort of blood circulatory yeah and these are gotta mean drugs what I mean related to these fungi that grow on certain grasses. So he’s working with mushrooms and stuff and he cuts.

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He Comes Out I Mean Mushroom Related And

and one of the compounds that he synthesized. One of quite a few was this LsD-25 and the story goes that he got a bit on his skin and somehow you know ingested it and had this like mild psychedelic trip and then I think the next day he went back and thought well. I’ll take a tiny little bit just to see if if it was this LsD-25 that made me feel so strange. So he took 200 Mike’s, which is quite I think it 200 250 is quite a big dose.

You Know Uk.

Only had a full-on you know mind-blowing trip sort of nightmarish visions and such like Oh I like that Chris sounds a little bit like the Hulk Bennett. You got a little bit on him by accident and then he becomes sort of basically Hulk or Spider-man whoever example follow that template some encounter which is it bloody a union ideally or a health anything like an encounter, some sort of mental encounter and then he becomes another version It goes back next day next 250 or whatever of it and it goes.

Summary

Dr. Robin Carhartt Harris is the head of psychedelic research at Imperial College London . He investigates the brain effects and potential therapeutic uses of psychedelic drugs . As such is the first person in the UK to have legally administered doses of UK to human volunteers since the misuse of drug acts in 1971 . Harris is a younger brother of Brian Cox, who we adore and hopefully have on he universe is the lovely thing isn’t it his research is as exciting as it is to boo . Dr. Harris: “I think should be stripped of their title. Later wearing a white coat and putting your fingers up People’s bum I don’t consider you part of our system okay thanks Dr. Rob. Harris” Under the Skin Today is Dr. Robert Harris, who is not even 37 years of age. Back to Mail Online home . Back to the page you came from the page go to see the latest episode of this week’s iReport! Back to view the latest edition of our show….. Click here to read more and watch the full video